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Most of those championship appearances are as a sub, so it’s not as bad as it first looks.
Marcus Forss
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S7DiscoDown
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Looking at that his best season is 7 in 39 (in the champo). I'm not sure how many were starts.
I mean it's a good bet that he was always back up as Brentford always have a goal machine (Maupay / Toney etc)
So 7 in 39 is very 'Watmore'. That's not a pop at Watmore as he brings other things. I'd also back Coburn to score more if given that many games.
That said we need people through the door and hopefully the recruitment team have seen enough of him. I imagine more than anyone one here.
It seems like it's more likely on a perm. So I'm guessing not mega bucks.
InglebyUTB
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You could have said the same about Akpom, Uche and Gestede. Most fans said they were terrible before we signed them, recruitment team who had seen more of him than any of us decided to sign them. They were terrible.
It just smacks of a typical Boro signing to me. We need to improve the team, he's clearly not an improvement on what we have.
I would rather give Coburn the game time if we can't bring in somebody who is clearly better than him.
RoaryTheLion
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Look at the minutes played in those 39 games - 1080. That’s 12 full games. 7 in 12 is big money material if it can be extrapolated over 40 ish full games in a season.
BoroMart
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Hardly, that's mostly sub appearances.
When Brentford went up he scored 7 in the equivalent of 12 full matches
He got 11 in 15 full matches of game time at Wimbledon
Beyond that he has about 8 more champ games worth of game time, 2 goals and about 2 prem games worth.
The bit he is mostly getting bashed for is Hull, he played the equivalent of 5 games and scored 1 and 1 assist. but 5 games isn't enough to judge someone.
So to sum it up, most of his short career is sub appearance, that total about 37 full matches. He has 21 goals in 37 full matches of game time. If he can convert that goal scoring to full matches at the same rate, he'll be a brilliant goalscorer. It's a big IF of course, but then we aren't buying the finished article, of a prime champ goalscorer, because we can't afford to.
BoroMart
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Gestede was the only one I expected to be at least ok. Well at champ level.
Forss will be a good signing but might take a year to integrate, get up to speed, and learn more as he has limited career game time. He'll score but I think he's still a full season from seeing the best of him
Dynamo Kev
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he looks like a grafter very much a Watmore, i would guess at this point he would rotate with dunc and our other striker being signed would be a different style to them both. maybe a more physical presence, we missed that last season. you need that up top in this league. the link to henry and gyokeres makes me think thats the case.
Agree, Bernie could bring people in to the game and was ways busy. Just happened to have a wonderful Left foot but learned to head a ball and a cored a boat load with his head.bernie slaven would be worth 40 million these days. Best all round striker weve ever had. Left foot, right foot, head, volley, bend em in and most importantly tap in
This guy sounds a bit like sporar. Hopefully has a bit more to his game.
TheBlueButterfly
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Having a quick look on the Brentford forum, the majority of the fans seem to really rate him. Not maybe's for the top half prem level they are aiming for, but certainly for the Championship and played in the right system he could be lethal. Some say he is possibly the best finisher at the clubs. Some do say that his finishing is his only strength (we understand what they mean, and 15-20 years ago would seem a bizarre statement, but this seems to be the modern way of thinking), but I am personally sick and tired of these attackers who come with all the bells and whistles yet can't actually do what they are paid to do, score goals. I think this would be an exciting signing ( I was actually gutted we weren't in for him when he joined Hull but clearly didn't work out).
BoroMart
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cant agree, you can't carry passengers anymore, it'll be exploited by any half decent coach.
I remember when we had Kris Boyd, he could finish and his minutes per game with us wasn't poor (1 goal every 253 mins), but, he waddled around the pitch not contributing when we didn't have the ball and we let in too many goals because the opposition could come out with the ball under no pressure. I remember in one game might have been QPR, he let the goalkeeper come 40 yards out with the ball and ping it into our box, didn't put any pressure on him. Happened 5 or 6 times then they scored.
You can't allow that in the modern game. Got to pressure the ball, got to cut the pitch in half.
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Bernies_quiff
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I’ll take what Brentford fans say with a mahoosive pinch of salt, after all, they though Luke Daniels was good
There must come a time though when we actually do sign a striker that can score goals for us….. Surely
festa5
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I think finishing and workrate are two of the key attributes Wilder is looking for in a striker. Most casual fans probably wouldn't put "press effectively" as a quality a striker has, but it's key for us.
IF he can do that (I've no idea, but assume we've done our homework) and he can finish he might be a bit of a find. Billy Sharp doesn't have much to his game beyond finishing and look how good he was for Wilder.
Obviously we do need someone who can hold it up and link play too (more like McGoldrick) but clearly we're looking at players like that too.
junos_boots
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He had me excited as he got a hattrick in one of his first games for u23s but then got an injury and seemed to disappear.
Andy_W
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Not a good sign being a champo sub for the 18th team though, not getting a game behind an Iranian scoring a goal every 538 minutes.
Forss stats for Brentford look good though, maybe it's a horses for courses problem at Hull, and he may eb different here, maybe more like the Brentford stats.
Anton_Berg
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Brentford's recruitment is much admired in recent years. Would they sign a player like Boyd?
TheYorkshireTerrier
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When you get stats like this I like to look at how other players got on before coming into form.
Gyokeres, for example, before he signed for Coventry on a permanent last year, he spent a loan at Swansea where he played 11 times without scoring in the league, and then a loan at Coventry only scoring 3 goals in 19 games.
Sometimes loans don't work out, as we saw with Balogun/Connolly last season, especially when they come in during January in a struggling team.
Ironops
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Season before last (20-21) Gyokeres scored 3 in 19 games for Coventry, 1 in 12 the season before that (19-20) for Swansea. He's only a year older that Forss
No reason to believe that with a run in the team and some decent service that Forss couldnt do what Gyokeres has done - only we wont be paying £20m we'll probably pay about £4m.
No reason to believe that with a run in the team and some decent service that Forss couldnt do what Gyokeres has done - only we wont be paying £20m we'll probably pay about £4m.
Andy_W
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Yeah it's not all about stats, as they can be completely overridden by the team they play for, the style the team plays and also the way the player plays, sometimes no matter what you do you won't find the net, as you won't get the chance to.
Messi might struggle to get 20-25 given the same opportunities some of our strikers have been feeding off, the limited minutes each had, and not being guaranteed a game (I know he would get a game for us, but I meant the mentality for the others, not knowing they will). It would be interesting to see what he would have scored like, or how many someone like Mitrovic would have got at Hull.
I could ignore every stat that Gyokeres has, as I've seen enough games from him and seen where he destroyed us, that's enough for me to see that he will be a top top player, even more so in the right side.