Male Boxers fighting Females in the Olympics

[king_hellfire]

Ah so in my opinion you are bigoted, you do not accept trans people. I don’t believe that I continue to debate on the issue with good faith given your stance outlined above.

that’s you’re opinion. You stick to that and I’ll stick to the biological and scientific fact that humans can’t change sex.

I think it’s pretty disgusting you’ve put ‘’ around trans, as it’s clear you have prejudice in this area

I put ‘ ‘ around trans because it’s a meaningless word. Perhaps you could explain to me what trans means.

They are people on this site who have shared their trans stories and you are coming out with this bile, which I will imagine they will find quite offensive.

They are adults. They need to grow up. They need to learn that the world doesn’t have to play along with their delusion. I don’t believe that trans is a thing but perhaps you can change my mind when you answer my question. Please try not to use outdated stereotypes while in your answer though, you won’t look very ‘progressive’ if you do.

 

[Matlex71]

I can’t speak for anybody else but the constant use of “he” is making my skin crawl.

Aww bless - do you find misgendering someone more offensive than men braying women in the ring??

 

[ForssAwakens]

that’s you’re opinion. You stick to that and I’ll stick to the biological and scientific fact that humans can’t change sex.




I put ‘ ‘ around trans because it’s a meaningless word. Perhaps you could explain to me what trans means.




They are adults. They need to grow up. They need to learn that the world doesn’t have to play along with their delusion. I don’t believe that trans is a thing but perhaps you can change my mind when you answer my question. Please try not to use outdated stereotypes while in your answer though, you won’t look very ‘progressive’ if you do.

Well what about people who have fully transitioned or intend to fully transition, surely it’s not as black and white as you want to make it?

 

[SmallTown]

I can’t speak for anybody else but the constant use of “he” is making my skin crawl.

Yeah it's pretty gross. Shows his mind is made up. He's commited to a falsehood and it's clouding everything else he says

 

[SmallTown]

Aww bless - but men braying women in the ring you’re quite comfortable with

No, which is kind of the point that the bigots aren't getting. Hellfire (and I'm assuming you) refuse to grasp the simple concept Khelif is a woman.

 

[king_hellfire]

Ah he slipped up! Of course.

Yes he did. Although it may have been intentional, I don’t know. Slips of the tongue happen all the time, are you saying the interviewer out his head on the chopping block and deliberately lied about the coach’s answer for no good reason? To besmirch his own career as a journalist?

Honestly, we're going in circles. We're clearly diametrically opposed on our views. I find yours bigoted, repetitive, disingenuous and without nuance.

Haha, of course you do.

You think I want to let a man hit women because you won't consider any other aspects surrounding this case.

No, I *know* that you think it’s ok to send a potential male into the ring with a female without knowing that person’s sex beforehand. As you have proved several times in your replies.

You're wrong and I dislike the assertion that I'm okay with it because I think there's a multitude of factors at play.

Answer the question then. Forget about Khelif, this is a general scenario.

Do you believe that a person should be free to compete against biological females if their sex is unknown and they could potentially be male? Don’t you think it would be safer and more fair to determine their sex first?

 

[king_hellfire]

Aww bless - but men braying women in the ring you’re quite comfortable with

It certainly seems that way.

He’ll be reminded of his stance when it eventually comes to light that Khelif is male. The same thing happened with Caster Semenya as well. The truth will always find its way out.

 

[king_hellfire]

Well what about people who have fully transitioned or intend to fully transition, surely it’s not as black and white as you want to make it?

A male without a penis and with breast implants is a male without a penis and breast implants, not a female.
If a male has an accident where he loses his penis, or if John Wayne Bobbit’s penis couldn’t have been reattached would they then be women?

Removing your sex organs and having silicone implants doesn’t change your sex.

It really is that black and white.

 

[Big_Nothing]

Why would I answer such a reductive and loaded question? Again, your desire to make this as black and white as possible because of your views on this issue make it pointless to continue.

You already know what I think, you just want to ask a question to make it simple, who for? Well, I can only speculate.

 

[Mr_Fridge]

Things like that are why I just won't engage with him, anyone that thinks he isn't being bigoted is living in a different world, especially with his history on trans issues.

Same. One note transphobe persona, has been on mute for quite some time. Life is too short for that level of hate.

If it was a different characteristic that level of hate would have been closed down by admin a long time ago.

 

[king_hellfire]

Why would I answer such a reductive and loaded question? Again, your desire to make this as black and white as possible because of your views on this issue make it pointless to continue.

I know why exactly why you wouldn’t answer it.

You already know what I think, you just want to ask a question to make it simple, who for? Well, I can only speculate.

For the posters viewing the thread, although if they have been following it is already patently obvious that your fine with it.

 

[king_hellfire]

Same. One note transphobe persona, has been on mute for quite some time. Life is too short for that level of hate.

If it was a different characteristic that level of hate would have been closed down by admin a long time ago.

Once again for the hard of thinking…

FACTS AREN’T HATE.

 

[Big_Nothing]

Here he is, the proper king_hellfire, saying what he really thinks and why he has absolutely no capacity for nuance, because he's a transphobe!

 

[king_hellfire]

Here he is, the proper king_hellfire, saying what he really thinks and why he has absolutely no capacity for nuance, because he's a transphobe!

Nice subject change.


Humans can’t change sex. Do you dispute that fact? Would you care to prove what I have said is incorrect?


It is blatantly obvious that you’re years behind the curve on these matters. Don’t worry, one day you’ll look back on stuff like this and deny you ever thought it.

 

[Big_Nothing]

I know why exactly why you wouldn’t answer it.




For the posters viewing the thread, although if they have been following it is already patently obvious that your fine with it.

No, you just want to suggest I'm fine with woman beating because you can't have a nuanced conversation and clearly have issues of prejudice on this topic. I mean, I get it, you're angry, you want to paint yourself as morally superior and pretend this is about female safety rather than your blatant transphobia.

Can we open a book on whether KH spreads em' for his missus and does his underwear shopping at Jacamo's answer to Victoria's Secret?

 

[Big_Nothing]

Nice subject change.


Humans can’t change sex.

Do you dispute that fact? Would you care to prove what I have said is incorrect?

I agree humans can't change sex and I think the gender being disconnected from sex discussion is far more complex and nuanced than the people often engaging in the conversation are.

 

[king_hellfire]

No, you just want to suggest I'm fine with woman beating because you can't have a nuanced conversation and clearly have issues of prejudice on this topic. I mean, I get it, you're angry, you want to paint yourself as morally superior and pretend this is about female safety rather than your blatant transphobia.

Every accusation is an admission.

Can we open a book on whether KH spreads em' for his missus and does his underwear shopping at Jacamo's answer to Victoria's Secret?

Such a bizarre response. Do you need to have a lie down?

 

[Matlex71]

Here he is, the proper king_hellfire, saying what he really thinks and why he has absolutely no capacity for nuance, because he's a transphobe!

And you're a misogynist - so terrified of appearing not to be 'inclusive' you'll gladly look the other way whilst men steal women's medals and knock ten bells out of them in the ring

 

[king_hellfire]

I agree humans can't change sex and I think the gender being disconnected from sex discussion is far more complex and nuanced than the people often engaging in the conversation are.

I dare you to post a reply without the word ‘nuanced’ in it. Go on, I know you can.


It isn’t nuanced at all. Gender is a nonsensical term. Please explain what it means, ideally without using outdated stereotypes. I know you won’t, because you can’t.


*Big_Nothing is now furiously thumbing the pages of his thesaurus looking for a synonym for ‘nuanced’

 

[king_hellfire]

And you're a misogynist - so terrified of appearing not to be 'inclusive' you'll gladly look the other way whilst men steal women's medals and knock ten bells out of them in the ring

No, no, no. It’s more nuanced than that

I have to say though, all this nuance is playing havoc with women’s faces and medal opportunities.