Mackems mocking our attendance

borgelite said:
Thick Mackems just don't get it, their overall catchment area is so much bigger than ours. More people, equals bigger crowds ie Leeds is the same.
Equally it works the other way aswell
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Why would you think Boro's catchment area is so much smaller than Sunderland's?
There are 350k living on Teesside, with more in N Yorks. N Yorks is a prosperous area and should be a target for MFC to exploit.
 
3rd highest attendance in the champo. I would say looking at all the numbers they seem 'down'.

I guess worries over covid and maybe post covid finances are effecting people. I would say looking at this list we did alright👌
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Soutra said:
Why would you think Boro's catchment area is so much smaller than Sunderland's?
There are 350k living on Teesside, with more in N Yorks. N Yorks is a prosperous area and should be a target for MFC to exploit.
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Newcastle and Sunderland share a catchment 2m plus.
However you define the catchment, and there are multiple options, we have a relatively small catchment.
 
NorthumberlandBoro said:
Newcastle and Sunderland share a catchment 2m plus.
However you define the catchment, and there are multiple options, we have a relatively small catchment.
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There are 1.1 million people in Tyne & Wear. I'm not sure how wide your definition of catchment would have to be to find another million people.

I've read numerous debates on here about attendances versus catchments and Boro fans always cite the population of Middlesbrough as the catchment whereas every other club is cited as town or city population plus the local county area. Use the same definition - whatever it is - for every team.

For the record, I think Boro's crowds are quite good, especially considering the football hasn't been riveting for a few seasons now. I do think Boro should attempt to spread the appeal to N Yorks. Lots of people, lots of money.
 
Soutra said:
Why would you think Boro's catchment area is so much smaller than Sunderland's?
There are 350k living on Teesside, with more in N Yorks. N Yorks is a prosperous area and should be a target for MFC to exploit.
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Newcastle and Sunderland share a catchment of around 2 million people. That includes Tyne and Wear, Co. Durham, and Northumberland.

Tyne & Wear - 1.1m
Co Durham - 530K
Northumberland - 322K

Wearside has about the same population as Teesside, but Sunderland draw a lot of support from County Durham (which alone has a population of 530K). They traditionally draw more support from there than the skunks do.

Outside of Teesside, North Yorkshire has a population of 250K and its never been a Boro hotbed like Co. Durham is for the mackems. You only have to go as far as Northallerton and you're in Leeds territory.

There was a detailed post on the old FMTTM forum years ago when this debate came up. Turns out by percentage, Boro needed 21K attendances to match the skunks and mackem average home gates of that time. Mind, that was going back a few years.
 
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Soutra said:
There are 1.1 million people in Tyne & Wear. I'm not sure how wide your definition of catchment would have to be to find another million people.

I've read numerous debates on here about attendances versus catchments and Boro fans always cite the population of Middlesbrough as the catchment whereas every other club is cited as town or city population plus the local county area. Use the same definition - whatever it is - for every team.

For the record, I think Boro's crowds are quite good, especially considering the football hasn't been riveting for a few seasons now. I do think Boro should attempt to spread the appeal to N Yorks. Lots of people, lots of money.
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The 2m plus numbers comes from the published population to be served by the proposed extended Tyne and wear metro system. The system will serve south Northumberland and parts of county Durham. Arguably the catchment is bigger than that of you include all of county Durham.
Sunderland also draw significant support from South Tyneside, which is often overlooked.
Our catchment is relatively small, trust me!
 
All those supporters and they still can't get a half decent team together. This has been on e of the worst decades in our history for league positions and still we've finished above the mackems for the last 5 season and it'll 6 after this
 
We really need to tread carefully when it comes to comparing other clubs attendances, especially with those of a gargantuan club like Sunderland. Their passion and unfailing loyalty is almost the stuff of legend - as this picture clearly shows...

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since1970 said:
We really need to tread carefully when it comes to comparing other clubs attendances, especially with those of a gargantuan club like Sunderland. Their passion and unfailing loyalty is almost the stuff of legend - as this picture clearly shows...

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They have a habit of deserting their team at half time too, when things are going wrong. :D

"Sunderland til I die".... more like "Sunderland til halftime"
 
I hear doctors in Sunderland and surrounding areas are seeing Mackems with stiff and sore necks. Doctors are apparently telling them the condition is due to them having to continually looking up at the many teams above them….. In leagues they aren’t good enough to compete in!
 
GazBoro said:
Newcastle and Sunderland share a catchment of around 2 million people. That includes Tyne and Wear, Co. Durham, and Northumberland.

Tyne & Wear - 1.1m
Co Durham - 530K
Northumberland - 322K

Wearside has about the same population as Teesside, but Sunderland draw a lot of support from County Durham (which alone has a population of 530K). They traditionally draw more support from there than the skunks do.

Outside of Teesside, North Yorkshire has a population of 250K and its never been a Boro hotbed like Co. Durham is for the mackems. You only have to go as far as Northallerton and you're in Leeds territory.

There was a detailed post on the old FMTTM forum years ago when this debate came up. Turns out by percentage, Boro needed 21K attendances to match the skunks and mackem average home gates of that time. Mind, that was going back a few years.
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Although I’ve lived in Doncaster since 1979, I was born in Middlesbrough but was brought up in a Co Durham mining village. yes, Sunderland drew a large number of fans from this area especially north and east of Durham city but Boro weren’t isolated in that respect, villages like Fishburn, Sedgefield, Shildon, Ayecliffe, Bisop Auckland etc had a fair few Boro fans going to Ayresome park and then the Riverside. The Mackems don’t have Co Durham to themselves!!! UTB
 
Its the prices,,£29-£35 walk up prices ,,teesside population is easy big enough to get 30,40,50 k at the riverside if it held that many ,mackems took 17,000 recently to a wembley final , lol
 
zzzzz said:
Never got the numbers obsession.
You don't get points for crowds.
So what?
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Exactly look at PSV one of the biggest sides in Europe historically in the shake up and their ground holds 35 k as we know from our final.

same with juve btw 41,507 seated so what.
 
In the end numbers mean little.
The fifty Hartlepool fans who never miss a game home and away are just loyal as the fifty who the do the same at Gillingham, Fulham etc.
( It maybe more than 50 I've got no idea).
 
Being in the Third Tier doesn't bother them, having bigger crowds than Boro is a measure of their ambition and if the length of time they've been there is anything to go by, the owners are well aware of their priorities.
The fact that they don't care about us does hurt though. :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
 
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