Lumley

Jonny Ingbar said:
And I think that's the point that was being made, he's been judged on the conspicuous mistakes, rather than all of his game, if that's not counter-intuituve.

De Gea went through a period of making a lot of mistakes, but it didn't mean he was a poor keeper, rather he's a world class keeper that has allowed mistakes to regularly creep into his performances.

I'm obviously not saying Lumley is on the same level or anywhere near, just that he had talent, but needs to cut out the majority of the mistakes.

Take those away and he suits our system well.
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But if a keeper is making mistakes almost every game the rest of their game doesnt really matter, its not a position you can ever get away with that. I dont really think the rest of his game is anything special anyway, yes he made some decent saves today and against Spurs but they were all saves you would expect him to make, nothing special and certainly not enough to ignore the mistakes in his game

He doesnt really suit this system either, we need a keeper who is comfortable with the ball, Lumley will never be that and it was noticeable today he is now just getting rid of it every time he is under any pressure, thats not really what we need
 
JM14 said:
But if a keeper is making mistakes almost every game the rest of their game doesnt really matter, its not a position you can ever get away with that. I dont really think the rest of his game is anything special anyway, yes he made some decent saves today and against Spurs but they were all saves you would expect him to make, nothing special and certainly not enough to ignore the mistakes in his game

He doesnt really suit this system either, we need a keeper who is comfortable with the ball, Lumley will never be that and it was noticeable today he is now just getting rid of it every time he is under any pressure, thats not really what we need
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Some of the saves have been incredible, your assessment is very harsh IMO. The save against spurs which looked to have gone through his legs was world class.
 
Hopefully he could be like a De Gea situation where although he was young…I remember his season at Man Utd and Fergie had to manage him in and out of the team as he made so many mistakes and sometimes looked like he couldn’t concentrate but now look at him so as the words ‘still young’ (ish) and first real full season as a 1st Team keeper which you don’t really think about them if he starts putting in performances like past 2 games he could go on to be the strongest part of an amazing team and we will flourish even further as every part of the team is fighting and performing to such a high level

Here’s hoping anyway UTB
 
Steve8778 said:
Some of the saves have been incredible, your assessment is very harsh IMO. The save against spurs which looked to have gone through his legs was world class.
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Which saves were incredible? Yes that was a good save against Spurs but I have yet to see him do anything you could call incredible. If he cuts out the mistakes he will be decent, but you just dont get away with a player in a key position making those sort of mistakes so often at this level.

I would genuinely love Lumley to do well for us, he seems a great lad and clearly loves the club. But I just cant see him managing a decent run of games without making a huge mistake. Would love to be proved wrong but I just dont see it
 
JM14 said:
But if a keeper is making mistakes almost every game the rest of their game doesnt really matter, its not a position you can ever get away with that. I dont really think the rest of his game is anything special anyway, yes he made some decent saves today and against Spurs but they were all saves you would expect him to make, nothing special and certainly not enough to ignore the mistakes in his game

He doesnt really suit this system either, we need a keeper who is comfortable with the ball, Lumley will never be that and it was noticeable today he is now just getting rid of it every time he is under any pressure, thats not really what we need
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Agree with some of that, but not all of it.

Of course it's a moot point if he continues to make mistakes, he'll never play regularly at the level he potentially could be at.

Don't agree the saves he made v spurs were routine, some were exceptional, credit where its due.

Many teams employ keepers as an extra defender and therefore they need to be able to play. Alison Becker is a great example of that.

Lumley can do it, not all keepers can - Schwarzer would have been a disaster for example, despite being a top keeper.

And part of that ability is about pace of the line, Neuer is the best at it and it means teams can press the play further up the pitch, which we obviously do. Lumley is also strong in that area.

He's had some poor moments this season, but let's hope the mistakes are behind him because we'll need more performances like today over the next 12 games.
 
I am one of his biggest critics, I came on after spurs and applauded him. He made some crucial saves today too. Had a good game, thats 2 in a row, that doesn’t make him suddenly Peter Shilton, or even a competent Darren Randolph. To suggest he is suddenly very good would be a dangerous claim to make. Lets see if he holds it together consistently before guns are jumped.
 
Jonny Ingbar said:
Many teams employ keepers as an extra defender and therefore they need to be able to play. Alison Becker is a great example of that.

Lumley can do it, not all keepers can - Schwarzer would have been a disaster for example, despite being a top keeper.

And part of that ability is about pace of the line, Neuer is the best at it and it means teams can press the play further up the pitch, which we obviously do. Lumley is also strong in that area.
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Most of his mistakes have come from racing out of his box at the wrong time or passing straight to an opposition player when trying to play with it. When he does it well he looks ok but the amount of times it results in a mistake makes it a pointless thing for him to try. Will cost us far more than it benefits us
 
JM14 said:
Most of his mistakes have come from racing out of his box at the wrong time or passing straight to an opposition player when trying to play with it. When he does it well he looks ok but the amount of times it results in a mistake makes it a pointless thing for him to try. Will cost us far more than it benefits us
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Well he's going to have to try because that's how CW wants to play.
 
I think that performance he put in against Spurs has probably done him the world of good and hopefully given him belief in himself.

He made several crucial saves for us today. Just a shame for him he didn't get his clean sheet.

One thing I picked up on was that he was smart and cautious with his distribution. Couple of times players wanted him to roll the ball out to them but he wouldn't, as he could see they had a player nearby.

I get that Wilder likes us to play it out from the back but there's no need in taking unnecessary risks when you're a goal up.
 
JM14 said:
Most of his mistakes have come from racing out of his box at the wrong time or passing straight to an opposition player when trying to play with it. When he does it well he looks ok but the amount of times it results in a mistake makes it a pointless thing for him to try. Will cost us far more than it benefits us
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Why put a negative spin on two excellent displays, youve had your say over numerous games
 
Jonny Ingbar said:
Well he's going to have to try because that's how CW wants to play.
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It was noticeable today he was just getting rid instead of passing it out, think it’s something Lumley will never be able to do so it’s pointless Wilder pushing it. Much rather just play it safe
 
Erimus74 said:
Why put a negative spin on two excellent displays, youve had your say over numerous games
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Hardly a negative spin, he has done ok in the last few games but it’s clearly a huge problem for us still. Surely anyone can see that
 
A couple of weeks ago i heard people saying he is the worst keeper they have ever seen at Boro. These people cant have been going long. Ive stuck up for him all season but i was starting to struggle a bit until the last 2 games.
 
JM14 said:
It was noticeable today he was just getting rid instead of passing it out, think it’s something Lumley will never be able to do so it’s pointless Wilder pushing it. Much rather just play it safe
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I think that may have been down to the pressure Luton were putting him under It was noticeable that their forwards were pushing up on him.
 
coluka said:
I am one of his biggest critics, I came on after spurs and applauded him. He made some crucial saves today too. Had a good game, thats 2 in a row, that doesn’t make him suddenly Peter Shilton, or even a competent Darren Randolph. To suggest he is suddenly very good would be a dangerous claim to make. Lets see if he holds it together consistently before guns are jumped.
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Randolph couldn’t and wouldn’t come off his line at all, he was a better shot stopper than Lumley but Lumley has more to his overall game.
 
JM14 said:
Hardly a negative spin, he has done ok in the last few games but it’s clearly a huge problem for us still. Surely anyone can see that
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It’s not, he saves us an awful lot the way he comes out and sweeps up, not many keepers can do that at all. This is what so many of our fans don’t seem to get. The way he plays allows our defenders to get up the pitch and he cleans up behind them when the opposition try to put balls over the top. Yes he’s made a few mistakes but how many times has he prevented one on ones by beating the attacker to the ball, he does it several times a game, almost everytime he does that he’s preventing a goal scoring opportunity.
 
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