Lukas Engel

Yes, Smith will have his work cut out. He's going to need support too, their 4 attacking midfielders will look to stretch us.
I'd be tempted to play Forrs rather than Jones in front of Smith as he is stronger defensively though it would be a touch hard on Jones who has looked more like his old self lately.
 
I'd be tempted to play Forrs rather than Jones in front of Smith as he is stronger defensively though it would be a touch hard on Jones who has looked more like his old self lately.
I'm the same on Forss, offers more as a team player than Jones (well up until the last minute last night 😁)

Jones will have more space against Sunderland though, and left one on one he can be very good.
 
I'm the same on Forss, offers more as a team player than Jones (well up until the last minute last night 😁)

Jones will have more space against Sunderland though, and left one on one he can be very good.
I think Forss is more consistent and I would generally be saying he should start in front of Issiah but given Forss is lacking a bit of game time and Issiah grabbed himself a goal last night, I think I'd stick with Jones for the match on Saturday.

I would expect the game will be played at a much higher tempo than last nights game and fitness would be a concern for Forss.

I think he's got bigger decisions to make with McNair, Barlaser and Engel who all did alright last night but will have a totally different challenge on Saturday.
 
Better last night from Sheff Wed but that was one the worst individual performances I’ve ever seen

Some people in this thread have got completely carried away

He’s not good enough
I agree there's a lot of people getting carried away. He's had 4 woeful performances and one decent performance. That's not enough for me to be convinced my first opinion of him is wrong.

Last nights performance was an average performance for any other Championship player, it was just much improved for Engel because he's been so bad.

He will not get the sort of space he had last night ever again and 9 times out of 10 he stopped the ball and turned backwards and played a 10 yard pass back to McNair. 2 good crosses, one of which ended in a goal. Defensively he was still poor.

It was a big improvement. It was an average performance, It showed a certain amount of character as I'm sure he felt the pressure but it was not enough for me to turn around and say the first 4 performances were a blip and he is actually good enough. He would need to put half a dozen of these performances in before I would think that.

I'd still be very worried if he was starting Saturday against Sunderland.
 
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An interview with Engel in the Danish media spotted by Borodane on oneBoro:

"Borodane said:
Lukas Engel has had an interview with a Danish football site about the rough start that he has had at Boro and how difficult it was mentally. I've translated it here with ChatGPT:

Engel hit rock bottom in Middlesbrough: I was afraid of failing
Lukas Engel was torn out during halftime in a Middlesbrough match, and it was a mentally tough experience for the Dane. Now he has overcome the fear of failing, and it resulted in a standing ovation at the stadium the other day.

"It was a nightmare."
Lukas Engel had a tough start to life in Middlesbrough after his transfer from Silkeborg when he was substituted at halftime by manager Michael Carrick in one of his early games.
The match was against Sheffield Wednesday, where the 24-year-old Dane was repeatedly overrun by his opponent.
"I hardly got a foot right," Lukas Engel tells bold.dk.
"It wasn't fun. It's not enjoyable to run around the field knowing that you are so far from where you should be. I was always a step behind, even mentally."
"So, you keep thinking, 'Damn, that was really bad, it wasn't good enough.' Then a new situation arises, where you're on the back foot again. It's a vicious cycle."
"In addition to it not being enjoyable to be on the field, it's also not fun to be substituted after 45 minutes. At that point, you just know that you haven't been good enough, even though it was well-deserved that I was taken off."

"I've had too many speculations."
The Danish left-back had a rough start in Middlesbrough after his transfer from Silkeborg when he was substituted at halftime by manager Michael Carrick in one of his early games.
The match was against Sheffield Wednesday, where the 24-year-old Dane was repeatedly overrun by his opponent.
"It wasn't fun. You don't just go out to the bus and smile and have fun. It was a mental challenge, even in the following days."
"When I came home and went to sleep, I was most irritated with myself. There were things I could have done better. It wasn't anyone else's fault. I was frustrated with myself."
"It wasn't about being in a new environment, a new league, or new teammates. It was about mental readiness, which I wasn't satisfied with."
Why weren't you mentally prepared – was it nervousness, or how do you explain it?
"I think, for me, it has been about having a lot of speculations in my early days here."
"It happened quickly, from everything falling into place with the transfer to playing the first home game with over 20,000 at the stadium. I was, of course, ready for it, but I was perhaps more focused on not failing."
"I didn't feel entirely comfortable in the system or the relationships. Everything was very new to me. How do we make each other better on the field? I was determined to show them, 'These are the things I'm good at, so play me this way.' I didn't feel I demonstrated that in the first few games."
"I was too cautious and too safe in my play. I played it to the side or did the easy thing instead of being myself, where I'm a threat offensively, for example."
"It's very mental. If you take a hit in a game, you either get up or get hit again and fall, so to speak. I wasn't strong enough to get up after a few bad actions."
"Before the game, I was clear in my head, and I always am. But it was difficult for me to get out of the negative bubble during the game."
Being applauded out of the stadium How did you manage to pull yourself out of the black hole?
"The first few days, I was affected. I felt like everything was going wrong, and it wasn't a pleasant feeling. After that, I chose to turn the page. I couldn't turn back time, even though I wanted to."
"I was on the bench in the following games, and I was eager to get out and make amends. I wanted to show my best side. I used it as motivation."
"And the coaches and players have been really good at telling me, 'You can't do anything about it; you're a good player, show it to those who think otherwise.'"
Throughout the process, manager Michael Carrick has been immensely supportive of Engel, both in the media and personally.
"Before the game against Cardiff, he pulled me aside and told me to just be myself and not think too much about what had happened before. He wasn't angry or disappointed, and he said I shouldn't bury myself because they still believed in me."
"It has really helped me, and those have been my two best performances in the last two games."
Lukas Engel's game against Cardiff was the first since the nightmare half. Here, he assisted a goal and prevented a goal on a huge chance at the other end.
He played a terrific game. And then he was applauded off the field by a standing home crowd.
"It was huge. When I made an assist for the 1-0 goal, I could feel that there were some emotions that needed to come out. I was so determined to show what kind of player I am to the club, my teammates, and the fans."
"I was a bit moved, and the feeling of happiness was almost creeping in. Being applauded out was special. It was something I needed after a mentally challenging time."
Engel would have preferred to do without the experience against Sheffield Wednesday, but it has still been important for him.
"I think I've learned something from it. After that game, I let go more and dared to be myself. I didn't think so much about failing or what other people want."
"I'm just myself, which is the player they've signed," says Lukas Engel.
In total, Lukas Engel has played seven games for Middlesbrough, who are currently ranked 16th in the Championship.

Original article: https://bold.dk/fodbold/klubber/mid...en-i-middlesbrough-jeg-var-bange-for-at-fejle "
 
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An interview with Engel in the Danish media spotted by Borodane on oneBoro:

"Borodane said:
Lukas Engel has had an interview with a Danish football site about the rough start that he has had at Boro and how difficult it was mentally. I've translated it here with ChatGPT:

Engel hit rock bottom in Middlesbrough: I was afraid of failing
Lukas Engel was torn out during halftime in a Middlesbrough match, and it was a mentally tough experience for the Dane. Now he has overcome the fear of failing, and it resulted in a standing ovation at the stadium the other day.

"It was a nightmare."
Lukas Engel had a tough start to life in Middlesbrough after his transfer from Silkeborg when he was substituted at halftime by manager Michael Carrick in one of his early games.
The match was against Sheffield Wednesday, where the 24-year-old Dane was repeatedly overrun by his opponent.
"I hardly got a foot right," Lukas Engel tells bold.dk.
"It wasn't fun. It's not enjoyable to run around the field knowing that you are so far from where you should be. I was always a step behind, even mentally."
"So, you keep thinking, 'Damn, that was really bad, it wasn't good enough.' Then a new situation arises, where you're on the back foot again. It's a vicious cycle."
"In addition to it not being enjoyable to be on the field, it's also not fun to be substituted after 45 minutes. At that point, you just know that you haven't been good enough, even though it was well-deserved that I was taken off."

"I've had too many speculations."
The Danish left-back had a rough start in Middlesbrough after his transfer from Silkeborg when he was substituted at halftime by manager Michael Carrick in one of his early games.
The match was against Sheffield Wednesday, where the 24-year-old Dane was repeatedly overrun by his opponent.
"It wasn't fun. You don't just go out to the bus and smile and have fun. It was a mental challenge, even in the following days."
"When I came home and went to sleep, I was most irritated with myself. There were things I could have done better. It wasn't anyone else's fault. I was frustrated with myself."
"It wasn't about being in a new environment, a new league, or new teammates. It was about mental readiness, which I wasn't satisfied with."
Why weren't you mentally prepared – was it nervousness, or how do you explain it?
"I think, for me, it has been about having a lot of speculations in my early days here."
"It happened quickly, from everything falling into place with the transfer to playing the first home game with over 20,000 at the stadium. I was, of course, ready for it, but I was perhaps more focused on not failing."
"I didn't feel entirely comfortable in the system or the relationships. Everything was very new to me. How do we make each other better on the field? I was determined to show them, 'These are the things I'm good at, so play me this way.' I didn't feel I demonstrated that in the first few games."
"I was too cautious and too safe in my play. I played it to the side or did the easy thing instead of being myself, where I'm a threat offensively, for example."
"It's very mental. If you take a hit in a game, you either get up or get hit again and fall, so to speak. I wasn't strong enough to get up after a few bad actions."
"Before the game, I was clear in my head, and I always am. But it was difficult for me to get out of the negative bubble during the game."
Being applauded out of the stadium How did you manage to pull yourself out of the black hole?
"The first few days, I was affected. I felt like everything was going wrong, and it wasn't a pleasant feeling. After that, I chose to turn the page. I couldn't turn back time, even though I wanted to."
"I was on the bench in the following games, and I was eager to get out and make amends. I wanted to show my best side. I used it as motivation."
"And the coaches and players have been really good at telling me, 'You can't do anything about it; you're a good player, show it to those who think otherwise.'"
Throughout the process, manager Michael Carrick has been immensely supportive of Engel, both in the media and personally.
"Before the game against Cardiff, he pulled me aside and told me to just be myself and not think too much about what had happened before. He wasn't angry or disappointed, and he said I shouldn't bury myself because they still believed in me."
"It has really helped me, and those have been my two best performances in the last two games."
Lukas Engel's game against Cardiff was the first since the nightmare half. Here, he assisted a goal and prevented a goal on a huge chance at the other end.
He played a terrific game. And then he was applauded off the field by a standing home crowd.
"It was huge. When I made an assist for the 1-0 goal, I could feel that there were some emotions that needed to come out. I was so determined to show what kind of player I am to the club, my teammates, and the fans."
"I was a bit moved, and the feeling of happiness was almost creeping in. Being applauded out was special. It was something I needed after a mentally challenging time."
Engel would have preferred to do without the experience against Sheffield Wednesday, but it has still been important for him.
"I think I've learned something from it. After that game, I let go more and dared to be myself. I didn't think so much about failing or what other people want."
"I'm just myself, which is the player they've signed," says Lukas Engel.
In total, Lukas Engel has played seven games for Middlesbrough, who are currently ranked 16th in the Championship.

Original article: https://bold.dk/fodbold/klubber/mid...en-i-middlesbrough-jeg-var-bange-for-at-fejle "
Fantastic that. A reminder to all of us that these lads are only human.
 
An interview with Engel in the Danish media spotted by Borodane on oneBoro:

"Borodane said:
Lukas Engel has had an interview with a Danish football site about the rough start that he has had at Boro and how difficult it was mentally. I've translated it here with ChatGPT:

Engel hit rock bottom in Middlesbrough: I was afraid of failing
Lukas Engel was torn out during halftime in a Middlesbrough match, and it was a mentally tough experience for the Dane. Now he has overcome the fear of failing, and it resulted in a standing ovation at the stadium the other day.

"It was a nightmare."
Lukas Engel had a tough start to life in Middlesbrough after his transfer from Silkeborg when he was substituted at halftime by manager Michael Carrick in one of his early games.
The match was against Sheffield Wednesday, where the 24-year-old Dane was repeatedly overrun by his opponent.
"I hardly got a foot right," Lukas Engel tells bold.dk.
"It wasn't fun. It's not enjoyable to run around the field knowing that you are so far from where you should be. I was always a step behind, even mentally."
"So, you keep thinking, 'Damn, that was really bad, it wasn't good enough.' Then a new situation arises, where you're on the back foot again. It's a vicious cycle."
"In addition to it not being enjoyable to be on the field, it's also not fun to be substituted after 45 minutes. At that point, you just know that you haven't been good enough, even though it was well-deserved that I was taken off."

"I've had too many speculations."
The Danish left-back had a rough start in Middlesbrough after his transfer from Silkeborg when he was substituted at halftime by manager Michael Carrick in one of his early games.
The match was against Sheffield Wednesday, where the 24-year-old Dane was repeatedly overrun by his opponent.
"It wasn't fun. You don't just go out to the bus and smile and have fun. It was a mental challenge, even in the following days."
"When I came home and went to sleep, I was most irritated with myself. There were things I could have done better. It wasn't anyone else's fault. I was frustrated with myself."
"It wasn't about being in a new environment, a new league, or new teammates. It was about mental readiness, which I wasn't satisfied with."
Why weren't you mentally prepared – was it nervousness, or how do you explain it?
"I think, for me, it has been about having a lot of speculations in my early days here."
"It happened quickly, from everything falling into place with the transfer to playing the first home game with over 20,000 at the stadium. I was, of course, ready for it, but I was perhaps more focused on not failing."
"I didn't feel entirely comfortable in the system or the relationships. Everything was very new to me. How do we make each other better on the field? I was determined to show them, 'These are the things I'm good at, so play me this way.' I didn't feel I demonstrated that in the first few games."
"I was too cautious and too safe in my play. I played it to the side or did the easy thing instead of being myself, where I'm a threat offensively, for example."
"It's very mental. If you take a hit in a game, you either get up or get hit again and fall, so to speak. I wasn't strong enough to get up after a few bad actions."
"Before the game, I was clear in my head, and I always am. But it was difficult for me to get out of the negative bubble during the game."
Being applauded out of the stadium How did you manage to pull yourself out of the black hole?
"The first few days, I was affected. I felt like everything was going wrong, and it wasn't a pleasant feeling. After that, I chose to turn the page. I couldn't turn back time, even though I wanted to."
"I was on the bench in the following games, and I was eager to get out and make amends. I wanted to show my best side. I used it as motivation."
"And the coaches and players have been really good at telling me, 'You can't do anything about it; you're a good player, show it to those who think otherwise.'"
Throughout the process, manager Michael Carrick has been immensely supportive of Engel, both in the media and personally.
"Before the game against Cardiff, he pulled me aside and told me to just be myself and not think too much about what had happened before. He wasn't angry or disappointed, and he said I shouldn't bury myself because they still believed in me."
"It has really helped me, and those have been my two best performances in the last two games."
Lukas Engel's game against Cardiff was the first since the nightmare half. Here, he assisted a goal and prevented a goal on a huge chance at the other end.
He played a terrific game. And then he was applauded off the field by a standing home crowd.
"It was huge. When I made an assist for the 1-0 goal, I could feel that there were some emotions that needed to come out. I was so determined to show what kind of player I am to the club, my teammates, and the fans."
"I was a bit moved, and the feeling of happiness was almost creeping in. Being applauded out was special. It was something I needed after a mentally challenging time."
Engel would have preferred to do without the experience against Sheffield Wednesday, but it has still been important for him.
"I think I've learned something from it. After that game, I let go more and dared to be myself. I didn't think so much about failing or what other people want."
"I'm just myself, which is the player they've signed," says Lukas Engel.
In total, Lukas Engel has played seven games for Middlesbrough, who are currently ranked 16th in the Championship.

Original article: https://bold.dk/fodbold/klubber/mid...en-i-middlesbrough-jeg-var-bange-for-at-fejle "
Good interview
 
An interview with Engel in the Danish media spotted by Borodane on oneBoro:

"Borodane said:
Lukas Engel has had an interview with a Danish football site about the rough start that he has had at Boro and how difficult it was mentally. I've translated it here with ChatGPT:

Engel hit rock bottom in Middlesbrough: I was afraid of failing
Lukas Engel was torn out during halftime in a Middlesbrough match, and it was a mentally tough experience for the Dane. Now he has overcome the fear of failing, and it resulted in a standing ovation at the stadium the other day.

"It was a nightmare."
Lukas Engel had a tough start to life in Middlesbrough after his transfer from Silkeborg when he was substituted at halftime by manager Michael Carrick in one of his early games.
The match was against Sheffield Wednesday, where the 24-year-old Dane was repeatedly overrun by his opponent.
"I hardly got a foot right," Lukas Engel tells bold.dk.
"It wasn't fun. It's not enjoyable to run around the field knowing that you are so far from where you should be. I was always a step behind, even mentally."
"So, you keep thinking, 'Damn, that was really bad, it wasn't good enough.' Then a new situation arises, where you're on the back foot again. It's a vicious cycle."
"In addition to it not being enjoyable to be on the field, it's also not fun to be substituted after 45 minutes. At that point, you just know that you haven't been good enough, even though it was well-deserved that I was taken off."

"I've had too many speculations."
The Danish left-back had a rough start in Middlesbrough after his transfer from Silkeborg when he was substituted at halftime by manager Michael Carrick in one of his early games.
The match was against Sheffield Wednesday, where the 24-year-old Dane was repeatedly overrun by his opponent.
"It wasn't fun. You don't just go out to the bus and smile and have fun. It was a mental challenge, even in the following days."
"When I came home and went to sleep, I was most irritated with myself. There were things I could have done better. It wasn't anyone else's fault. I was frustrated with myself."
"It wasn't about being in a new environment, a new league, or new teammates. It was about mental readiness, which I wasn't satisfied with."
Why weren't you mentally prepared – was it nervousness, or how do you explain it?
"I think, for me, it has been about having a lot of speculations in my early days here."
"It happened quickly, from everything falling into place with the transfer to playing the first home game with over 20,000 at the stadium. I was, of course, ready for it, but I was perhaps more focused on not failing."
"I didn't feel entirely comfortable in the system or the relationships. Everything was very new to me. How do we make each other better on the field? I was determined to show them, 'These are the things I'm good at, so play me this way.' I didn't feel I demonstrated that in the first few games."
"I was too cautious and too safe in my play. I played it to the side or did the easy thing instead of being myself, where I'm a threat offensively, for example."
"It's very mental. If you take a hit in a game, you either get up or get hit again and fall, so to speak. I wasn't strong enough to get up after a few bad actions."
"Before the game, I was clear in my head, and I always am. But it was difficult for me to get out of the negative bubble during the game."
Being applauded out of the stadium How did you manage to pull yourself out of the black hole?
"The first few days, I was affected. I felt like everything was going wrong, and it wasn't a pleasant feeling. After that, I chose to turn the page. I couldn't turn back time, even though I wanted to."
"I was on the bench in the following games, and I was eager to get out and make amends. I wanted to show my best side. I used it as motivation."
"And the coaches and players have been really good at telling me, 'You can't do anything about it; you're a good player, show it to those who think otherwise.'"
Throughout the process, manager Michael Carrick has been immensely supportive of Engel, both in the media and personally.
"Before the game against Cardiff, he pulled me aside and told me to just be myself and not think too much about what had happened before. He wasn't angry or disappointed, and he said I shouldn't bury myself because they still believed in me."
"It has really helped me, and those have been my two best performances in the last two games."
Lukas Engel's game against Cardiff was the first since the nightmare half. Here, he assisted a goal and prevented a goal on a huge chance at the other end.
He played a terrific game. And then he was applauded off the field by a standing home crowd.
"It was huge. When I made an assist for the 1-0 goal, I could feel that there were some emotions that needed to come out. I was so determined to show what kind of player I am to the club, my teammates, and the fans."
"I was a bit moved, and the feeling of happiness was almost creeping in. Being applauded out was special. It was something I needed after a mentally challenging time."
Engel would have preferred to do without the experience against Sheffield Wednesday, but it has still been important for him.
"I think I've learned something from it. After that game, I let go more and dared to be myself. I didn't think so much about failing or what other people want."
"I'm just myself, which is the player they've signed," says Lukas Engel.
In total, Lukas Engel has played seven games for Middlesbrough, who are currently ranked 16th in the Championship.

Original article: https://bold.dk/fodbold/klubber/mid...en-i-middlesbrough-jeg-var-bange-for-at-fejle "
'Dare to be yourself' - our danish guru has spoken!
 
What a F***ing man manager Carrick is. Always thought the fact he's been through tough times himself gives him an edge and more empathy than most coaches.

I suspect Wilder's approach would have been to never have used Engel again and made thinly veiled criticisms about our recruitment to the press.

It's like night and day.
 
Danish people tend to be brutally honest and he is in this interview.

The Sheff Wednesday game was horrible - having said that full backs are often protected to some extent by a covering player either midfield or left sided centre half. For example Isiah Jones will often find himself facing two defenders. Engel seemed always to be defending 1 v 1. Experts say in 1 v 1 situation the defender should win/stop/deflect etc 75% of challenges and Engel was not doing that. Sometimes a players confidence can be damaged by a bad start in a game and judgements become clouded and frustrated. To his credit he has has bounced back, probably a bit better player for the experience.
 
What a F***ing man manager Carrick is. Always thought the fact he's been through tough times himself gives him an edge and more empathy than most coaches.

I suspect Wilder's approach would have been to never have used Engel again and made thinly veiled criticisms about our recruitment to the press.

It's like night and day.
We'd barely get a team out with WIlder

----------------Dieng-------------------------
---------Fry--Lenihan--McNair----------------
Jones--Crooks--Howson--Barlaser--Coulson
---------------McGree-------------------------
-------------Latte Lath-------------------------

he's be slagging the lot off!!
 
What a F***ing man manager Carrick is. Always thought the fact he's been through tough times himself gives him an edge and more empathy than most coaches.

I suspect Wilder's approach would have been to never have used Engel again and made thinly veiled criticisms about our recruitment to the press.

It's like night and day.
I think the big thing for players is knowing what a career he's had and what a great player he was. To be treated with respect and understanding by someone like that even though you yourself know you've not been up to scratch makes such a difference.
 
The Engel we seen those first few games was not the player he said he was in his interview, nor the player we seen from the exciting clips.
Carricks man management is fantastic, arm round the shoulder and the confidence comes flowing back. Now he's got that licence to go forward we'll see the real Engel. Bangura has looked similarly adept at doing the same thing In his brief appearences to.
Being part of a 4-0 derby day demolition will do him the world of good to
 
Always thought the fact he's been through tough times himself gives him an edge and more empathy than most coaches.

There’s a lot to be said for this. Wilder never played at any decent level but still thought he knew better than the players themselves in terms of the mental side of the game, and the pressures they were feeling

I think Mourinho is similar
 
They started targeting him in the second half and he mostly held his own, got done a little bit too easily still on two occasions but his strengths going forward are much more apparent now the shackles have been taken off. He has a different delivery to Giles but could see him racking up some assists if the strikers get a bit sharper.
 
Recovered well a few times during the game to win the ball back. He's much more positive with the ball now and made some clever over-lapping runs.
 
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