Louis Theroux - The Settlers

Redwurzel said:
De humanising other groups is a common tactic used by extremists - the Zionists in Israel learnt it from Europeans - the Nazis made public information films showing packs of fighting rats and linking it to Jewish people. They also said they needed breathing space and certain European land was spiritually Greater Germany and needed for Ayrans.

I am not saying this is an excuse or deflection, just an observation of what is appearing to be happening now with right wing Israelis.

If the United Nations had any courage and/or power it would have moved into Gaza and the Left Bank with troops long ago to protect the civilian populations, and it should have done. I thought this was the purpose of the United Nations.
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So the UN doesn't impose peace, its efforts are towards keeping an existing one. The idea of putting UN troops into Gaza where the current leadership on both sides don't want peace wouldn't happen but if it did it wouldn't end well. The UNDOF force in the Golan Heights have been attacked recently and they are just there as observers!
 
Redwurzel said:
I agree the Palestians were not responsible for the European Pogroms, but to me those Pogroms from 1881 to 1945 led to Jewish people wanting their own country where they were the majority and they were safe from such Pogroms. I don't defend what the Israeli Government is currently doing or many of the West Bank Settlers, who actually should not be on the West Bank. To me its appears to borne out from a sense of fear and insecurity.

The Israeli Security forces did hunt down key Nazis involved in the Holocaust when they were alive.
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personal opinion.....forming a country to serve as a religious and ethnic homeland for any people will always create massive conflicts, as that nations pure essence will be about exclusion. Israel happens to be the worst example of it, where ethnic cleansing of non-jewish people has occurred, peace with neighbours is at best fragile. Extremist governments are common to "protect" the ethnic and religious integrity of the state.

I don't care what colour people are or what their belief system is, as an individual, that's hereditary and personal choice. But when a whole country rises up on these principles, it will always end in trouble
 
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The end?

Trump : We'll end it on day 1 4 months later .. US : It's not fair! https://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/us-withdraws-ukraine-russia-peace-talks-b1225632.html
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This is from the Ukraine war thread - all of this aggression and murder is overlapping
 
Ziggy said:
Say it like it is. Long form ethnic cleansing. Openly stated by the ‘settlers’
Like multiple people have said when interviewed. “We want the Arabs gone, every last one of them” They don’t describe them as Palestinians anymore…they’ve been “Othered”
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Isreal have announced today they are going to “Occupy the whole of Gaza…for an unlimited amount of time” Obviously Trump has lost interest in the situation there, by forgetfulness or design, giving Isreal almost a light to do as they like.
They waited for Trump to finish his middle east visits….to avoid embarrassing him?
 
Nano said:
I watched it last night and it really angers me that politically we are clearly on the wrong side. There is no excuse for standing by and watching the genocide and ethnic cleansing occur but that's not even what we are doing. We are supporting it. We are providing weapons and intelligence. We are cutting services in the UK and spending tax payers money on assisting genocide. It's deplorable.
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To lambast the UK though is a bit of a stretch.
Labour has inherited an absolute mess of an economy and financial crisis with our public services on their face - worse than on their knees.
It’s a huge problem in that, we are relatively insignificant outside of the EU, we’ve lost our influence and if we make a stand against the US and millions of Jews in this country then the right wing press will crucify the government, those lost Jewish (critical) votes will go back to the Tories or reform.
We sell the Israeli’s weapons and can’t afford to isolate ourselves even further because we rely on that revenue to support the economy that’s on life support - which is why we can’t upset the yanks - because we rely on their military support for intelligence and the trade which also keeps the economy just about going…
All because of Brexit; the UK is now so incredibly weak and isolated, making it easy for others to take advantage and manipulate us - it’s incredibly sad but it’s a fact that’s undeniable.
I don’t blame our government, I feel for the predicament we are in - our country will implode if we call Israeli government what it is…..
 
Johnny Vincents Motorbike said:
Try less than 300,000

Jewish identity, England and Wales - Office for National Statistics

Characteristics and outcomes for people who identified as Jewish through the religion and ethnic group questions on Census 2021, in line with our Census 2021 White Paper.
www.ons.gov.uk
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then try understanding just why the jewish lobby has a completely disproportionate amount of power within the labour party - to the point that they can fabricate a scenario that leads to the dismissal of the party leader.
Then try to understand how diplomats from Israel were expelled after an Al Jazeera documentary filmed them actively spreading misinformation and lies within the Labour party- meddling in our politics and democracy.
Like every other PM in living memory, Stamer is sh.it scared about the jewish lobby and the power they have when it comes to even the slightest criticism of Israel.

This is fuc.king genocide. The IDF are murdering children and we are supplying the weapons and even intelligence to do it.
 
MoggasDog said:
then try understanding just why the jewish lobby has a completely disproportionate amount of power within the labour party - to the point that they can fabricate a scenario that leads to the dismissal of the party leader.
Then try to understand how diplomats from Israel were expelled after an Al Jazeera documentary filmed them actively spreading misinformation and lies within the Labour party- meddling in our politics and democracy.
Like every other PM in living memory, Stamer is sh.it scared about the jewish lobby and the power they have when it comes to even the slightest criticism of Israel.

This is fuc.king genocide. The IDF are murdering children and we are supplying the weapons and even intelligence to do it.
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If you feel so strongly about it - (and I am deeply upset by what they are doing) why not, pack your job in and go out there and look to make a difference offering your support where you can ?

Trying to suggest only Labour pander to the Jewish community in this country is absurd. Corbyn was part of his own downfall and would never gain power in the UK - there isn't enough left wing people who would give him enough of a a mandate (majority) for him to govern successfully. I'm left of centre as a voter but did not like corbyn because to govern - you need to bring people together and he didn't have the personality traits required to do such a thing.
Admit that to yourself and you'll feel a bit better. Blaming his downfall on the jewish community is hilarious.
 
Airsumaces1968 said:
If you feel so strongly about it - (and I am deeply upset by what they are doing) why not, pack your job in and go out there and look to make a difference offering your support where you can ?

Trying to suggest only Labour pander to the Jewish community in this country is absurd. Corbyn was part of his own downfall and would never gain power in the UK - there isn't enough left wing people who would give him enough of a a mandate (majority) for him to govern successfully. I'm left of centre as a voter but did not like corbyn because to govern - you need to bring people together and he didn't have the personality traits required to do such a thing.
Admit that to yourself and you'll feel a bit better. Blaming his downfall on the jewish community is hilarious.
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He won more votes than any other Labour leader this century.
 
Airsumaces1968 said:
If you feel so strongly about it - (and I am deeply upset by what they are doing) why not, pack your job in and go out there and look to make a difference offering your support where you can ?

Trying to suggest only Labour pander to the Jewish community in this country is absurd. Corbyn was part of his own downfall and would never gain power in the UK - there isn't enough left wing people who would give him enough of a a mandate (majority) for him to govern successfully. I'm left of centre as a voter but did not like corbyn because to govern - you need to bring people together and he didn't have the personality traits required to do such a thing.
Admit that to yourself and you'll feel a bit better. Blaming his downfall on the jewish community is hilarious.
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I got into trouble for my reply to this deeply condescending little statement.
Needless to say, I do not think very highly of what you said.
 
Every time Question Time was broadcast there was a question about anti-semitism in the Labour Party when Corbyn was leader, virtually nothing before and nothing after - it showed how powerful the Pro-Israeli Government lobby was and how complicit the BBC were. The BBC at times should have stood up and said they is ridiculously over the top, but as with the 1950s McCarthy era and the Salem witch trials back in the 1690s no one of significance did stand up.
 
Ref the Settlers in the West Bank - the Settlers should have (key edit) NOT being allowed in. In the programme you heard the names they called Palestinians (savages, camel thieves etc) as said previously the Settlers with the Israeli forces are demonising a whole race as the Nazis did to the Jews in the 1930s and 40s. Segregating the Palestinians into ghettos, classifying people through their passports.

edit - Sorry about that - I posted completely the wrong meaning.
 
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Redwurzel said:
Ref the Settlers in the West Bank - the Settlers should have been allowed in, the programme you heard the names they called Palestinians (savages, camel thieves etc) as said previously they Setllers with the Israeli forces are demonising a whole race as the Nazis did to the Jews in the 1930s and 40s. Segregating the Palestinians into ghettos, classifying people through their passports.
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The Americans are the guilty ones here because under Biden benny boy knew his limits but not under Trump - benny is off his lead and it’s disgusting what the Americans are allowing to happen, it will cost them in the long term
 
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