Boro.Fur
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There's nothing heroic about calling for MPs to be murdered.
They may be on the right side of history when it comes to Israel and Palestine but so are millions of others who don't go around talking shiite like they do.
Louis Theroux - The Settlers
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They may be on the right side of history when it comes to Israel and Palestine but so are millions of others who don't go around talking shiite like they do.
Redwurzel
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I do think the Jewish Settlers are illegally occupying the West Bank and many of them want to exclude any non Jews from the area, but I think its important to understand where those views come from. That is not saying I agree with those views.
When I recently visited Auschwitz there were large groups of male teenagers draped in Israeli flags - to me showing a very strong form of Nationalism mixed with religion which seeing the gas ovens reinforced those views. Unfortunately tolerance of others appears low on their agenda, they seemed to be in survival mode which can lead to a sort of ugly form of siege mentality where empathy for outsiders is minimal.
When I recently visited Auschwitz there were large groups of male teenagers draped in Israeli flags - to me showing a very strong form of Nationalism mixed with religion which seeing the gas ovens reinforced those views. Unfortunately tolerance of others appears low on their agenda, they seemed to be in survival mode which can lead to a sort of ugly form of siege mentality where empathy for outsiders is minimal.
Caesium137
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You'd think their ire may be somewhat targeted at Germany itself then, or a lot of the former soviet occupied areas of eastern Europe where a lot of them had their ancestral homelands in that case though?
Not a tiny strip of land that Palestinians have been living in since long before Israel existed?
the_gin_soaked_boy
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No, you are right - but to me it was a flippant remark which has been highlighted now and taken out of context, on account of their stance regarding Palestine and the messages that were on screen at Coachella which ***ed the yanks off.
They're rattling cages, and not lying down and saying nowt - which is why I called them heroes.
I am biased like, cos I think they are brilliant!
Sorry but thats absolutely imbecilic. The Gaza strips a prison with the people not allowed to leave. The median age there is 18 so at least half the population are that age or younger. What would not "covering for a terrorist organisation" look like? They can't approach the fences of their cage because the Israeli snipers shoot them. Hamas are the elected government in Gaza so its not like they can pop along to a police station and shop them. Wise up.
There's a very obvious reason for this. Over the decades Israel have confected reasons to attack their neighbour countries that harbour Palestinian refugees. Taking them in means suffering the wrath of the US military by proxy.
Angelmatty
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Of course you are right i can see this by the response well done
Angelmatty
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I have said previously myself I'm not defending Israel at all just people all have an opinion from different sources or what we see on the news
Redwurzel
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I agree the Palestians were not responsible for the European Pogroms, but to me those Pogroms from 1881 to 1945 led to Jewish people wanting their own country where they were the majority and they were safe from such Pogroms. I don't defend what the Israeli Government is currently doing or many of the West Bank Settlers, who actually should not be on the West Bank. To me its appears to borne out from a sense of fear and insecurity.
The Israeli Security forces did hunt down key Nazis involved in the Holocaust when they were alive.
HarryVegas
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And are now carrying out similar atrocities themselves. There really is no excuse for what they are doing.
Who are the terrorists?
Israel was founded on terrorism. Why do you think 800,000 Palestinian civilians fled their homes in fear of their lives. Before during and after the so called war of independence there were 32 well documented massacres.
One of the most notorious of these was the massacre at Deir Yasin on April 9th 1948 when over 100 villagers were killed by Zionist paramilitary groups. Some of those captured were paraded through the streets of Jerusalem before being shot. News of the killings sparked terror within the Palestinian community, encouraging them to flee from their towns and villages in the face of Jewish troop advances. Menahem Begin, who later became a Prime Minister of Israel, gloated about the massacre in his book about this period: “The legend in Deir Yassin helped us in particular in the saving of Tiberia and the conquest of Haifa...All the Jewish forces proceeded to advance through Haifa like a knife through butter. The Arabs began fleeing in panic, shouting Deir Yassin...Arabs throughout the country were seized by limitless panic and started to flee for their lives.”
Israel has continued to terrorise Palestinians ever since. More Palestinians were killed the last time Israel "mowed the lawn" in Gaza, than Israelis killed on October 7th. We now know many of those were killed by the IDF under the Hannibal Directive. Now we are witnessing a genocide of the people of Gaza.
I am not seeking to condone the killing of innocent lives by Hamas.
But I ask you, in truth, who are the terrorists?
Israel was founded on terrorism. Why do you think 800,000 Palestinian civilians fled their homes in fear of their lives. Before during and after the so called war of independence there were 32 well documented massacres.
One of the most notorious of these was the massacre at Deir Yasin on April 9th 1948 when over 100 villagers were killed by Zionist paramilitary groups. Some of those captured were paraded through the streets of Jerusalem before being shot. News of the killings sparked terror within the Palestinian community, encouraging them to flee from their towns and villages in the face of Jewish troop advances. Menahem Begin, who later became a Prime Minister of Israel, gloated about the massacre in his book about this period: “The legend in Deir Yassin helped us in particular in the saving of Tiberia and the conquest of Haifa...All the Jewish forces proceeded to advance through Haifa like a knife through butter. The Arabs began fleeing in panic, shouting Deir Yassin...Arabs throughout the country were seized by limitless panic and started to flee for their lives.”
Israel has continued to terrorise Palestinians ever since. More Palestinians were killed the last time Israel "mowed the lawn" in Gaza, than Israelis killed on October 7th. We now know many of those were killed by the IDF under the Hannibal Directive. Now we are witnessing a genocide of the people of Gaza.
I am not seeking to condone the killing of innocent lives by Hamas.
But I ask you, in truth, who are the terrorists?
This is what happens each time people stand up for Palestinians - historical reasons are given as excuses but it is a here-and-now genocide that is taking place. If we just consider that the Palestinians are victims of an ongoing ethnic cleansing that is supported and protected by the State of Israel.
Other than the psycho running the country, there are hardline, right wing extremists in the Israeli cabinet that are themselves settlers and proud Zionists who are not interested in a two party solution - they believe that all palestinians should just pack up and leave to the nearest arab country.
Our tax money is used to provide weaponry for this genocide.
British PMs, one after the other, just refuse to condemn Israel's genocide policy and we just get weak statements like ' the killing must stop. on both sides'
The settlers speak about the land being given to them by God - as if this is an unassailable fact.
Fuc.king relgious extremists. I would love to load the bast,ard lot of them into one of Musk's rockets and sends them all to the moon. They can argue which God gave what parts of the moon to whoever and the sane people can stay on earth. Fuc.k any and all religion that is used to justify harming another human being. 3000 year old nonsense.
HarryVegas
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Completely agree.
To be honest, knowing your situation and the fact you have been through the wringer, mentally, watching this documentary is not something that is going to do you any good at all.
There is noting but inhumanity, murder, genocide perpetrated by people on both sides.
In both the Theroux and ITV documentaries, Rabbis and Cabinet ministers refer to the Palestinians as 'savages' and 'camel riders'. They are not seen as people or equals.
The scene where they are taking selfies, smiling with Gaza burning in the backgorund shows how little they care. They are meeting to organise settlers moving into Gaza while the fires are still fuc.king burning! Some are openly saying 'I want views of the sea'
In the ITV doc, the worst of all was when a gang of settlers barged into the Palestinian land owners house and just sat on the sofas rolling fags(possibly weed) and demanding 'BRING ME COFFEE!'
Just fuc.king imagine somebody barging into your house on your land and doing that !??!??! To totally humiliate, provoke and intimidate unarmed people in their own home in front of children. Just imagine somebody doing that you, with your kids there, watching. These pigs know that if the palestians even looks at them the wrong way that the IDF will be quickly there, shooting, killing, maiming.
I almost puked with rage. I just thought that I would just love to be there and say 'Yup. here's the last coffee you will ever have' and stoving their skulls in with the cup.
Redwurzel
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De humanising other groups is a common tactic used by extremists - the Zionists in Israel learnt it from Europeans - the Nazis made public information films showing packs of fighting rats and linking it to Jewish people. They also said they needed breathing space and certain European land was spiritually Greater Germany and needed for Ayrans.
I am not saying this is an excuse or deflection, just an observation of what is appearing to be happening now with right wing Israelis.
If the United Nations had any courage and/or power it would have moved into Gaza and the Left Bank with troops long ago to protect the civilian populations, and it should have done. I thought this was the purpose of the United Nations.
I am not saying this is an excuse or deflection, just an observation of what is appearing to be happening now with right wing Israelis.
If the United Nations had any courage and/or power it would have moved into Gaza and the Left Bank with troops long ago to protect the civilian populations, and it should have done. I thought this was the purpose of the United Nations.
Airsumaces1968
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It’s alarming to watch it.Like a lot of people, I have some strong feelings about what I feel is a barbaric and genocidal country - Israel.
Louis Theroux - The Settlers
Fourteen years after his first visit, Louis Theroux meets some of the growing community of religious-nationalist Israelis who have settled in the occupied West Bank.www.bbc.co.uk
I havent watched this documentary, very deliberately, because I am trying not to get too involved in world matters, again and again.
I am trying to live my own life and concentrate on my own family. But, how can we ignore the genocide that the world just lets happen in Palestine?
It is state sponsored genocidal mass murder carried out by a nation that was formed, less than a 100 years ago, by victims of state sponsored genocidal mass murder.
But, I will watch it...probably today and end up full of fu.ck.,
I like Louis T, fair and balanced and I was utterly shocked by what the Israeli’s do to Palestinians on a daily basis aside from the destruction of Gaza.
I’m still thinking about it after watching it over a week ago.
I watched it last night and it really angers me that politically we are clearly on the wrong side. There is no excuse for standing by and watching the genocide and ethnic cleansing occur but that's not even what we are doing. We are supporting it. We are providing weapons and intelligence. We are cutting services in the UK and spending tax payers money on assisting genocide. It's deplorable.