Middlesbrough123
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What a nightmare 
Lisa shaw died of blood clot after covid jab
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NorthumberlandBoro
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It's an awful shocking story.
Funky_Chicken
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Who was she ?
asredastheycome
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Said might have on BBC website. It's one of the things they are considering. Sad if true but equally as sad whatever cause of death. No age at all.
Mr.DerbyCountyFC
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Radio presenter.Who was she ?
Corcaigh_the_Cat
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NorthumberlandBoro
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A very popular lady in the industry.
Randy
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Blimey.
I know William Shakespeare had recently passed from a stroke that some had tried to connect to the AZ vaccine.
chickenrunner
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Which considering he had the Pfizer jab is going some.
On a more positive note I see that a lab in Germany is claiming to have found the cause of the blood clotting issue in both the AZ and J&J vaccines and suggest that it is possible to resolve the problem.
Funky_Chicken
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I remember her now, - used to listen to her an the other fella John ? sometimes on a morning - poor lass
nowthen
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Do you ever feel the emoji is a little distasteful?I remember her now, - used to listen to her an the other fella John ? sometimes on a morning - poor lass
atypical_boro
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Is he the dude who had the first one? How old was he?
NYboro
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81 I think
smogontherhine
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You would hope so but I could find nothing reported on the front page of the BBC website (mobile version) and had to Google for it to find the BBC page.
UTB70
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I read it was possibly something to do with clots and a lack of platelets in her blood. This is my opinion but I'm going to try to eat foods that apparently help increase the platelet count these include: vitamins B12, C, D, and K. iron. So leafy greens like spinach, sprouts etc
bear66
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In this case it hasn't been concluded what the cause of death is, but it is increasing numbers of platelets sticking together that are thought to be the mechanism for the rare AZ side effects.
In some people, activated platelets can release a protein called platelet factor 4 (PF4), which binds to the AstraZeneca vaccine. It is thought that this binding of PF4 can induce the immune system to activate more platelets, making them stick together and thereby diminishing their numbers. This leads to blood clotting (thrombosis) and a low platelet count (thrombocytopaenia).
Andy_W
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I wonder if those susceptible to clotting with the vaccine, would have been more susceptible anyway, it's surely more likely than not.
Sounds like they've already got directions to a fix anyway (subject to peer review), and have already shared this with J&J and AZ, but probably not likely to reduce the risk of those who could be subject to clotting anyway.
Andy_W
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Where are we at with this now (the clotting)?
From my last look a couple of weeks back it was like 300 clotting cases in 30 million AZ doses, or 1:100,000? 1 in 6 of those died, so then you're near 1 in 600,000 chance of death from AZ.
It just needs putting in perspective and what the alternative is, and it was only a matter of time a member of the media or a known figure would sadly die.
It's just a risk that society has to take (having vaccines), as if nobody takes a 1 in 600,000 risk, then it's practically guaranteeing ~80% of people to get covid, until we get herd immunity. Then with our IFR of 1% (with NHS treatment) that's pretty much 500k deaths till this runs its course. The problem is the IFR doubles with no treatment/ oxygen, as India has proven. This was already known a year ago mind, but the new variants just made it much more likely. Had we had these variants from February we would have been much, much worse.
That IFR plays zero consideration to the knock-on effect to the waiting lists too, which have been extended to 10 years in some cases, or the subsequent missed treatment deaths, it maybe doubles the IFR again. There's no way to not extend waiting lists without vaccines either, the vaccine is the only hope of keeping them as low as possible. We can't magic more hospitals, doctors and nurses etc.
**** times.
From my last look a couple of weeks back it was like 300 clotting cases in 30 million AZ doses, or 1:100,000? 1 in 6 of those died, so then you're near 1 in 600,000 chance of death from AZ.
It just needs putting in perspective and what the alternative is, and it was only a matter of time a member of the media or a known figure would sadly die.
It's just a risk that society has to take (having vaccines), as if nobody takes a 1 in 600,000 risk, then it's practically guaranteeing ~80% of people to get covid, until we get herd immunity. Then with our IFR of 1% (with NHS treatment) that's pretty much 500k deaths till this runs its course. The problem is the IFR doubles with no treatment/ oxygen, as India has proven. This was already known a year ago mind, but the new variants just made it much more likely. Had we had these variants from February we would have been much, much worse.
That IFR plays zero consideration to the knock-on effect to the waiting lists too, which have been extended to 10 years in some cases, or the subsequent missed treatment deaths, it maybe doubles the IFR again. There's no way to not extend waiting lists without vaccines either, the vaccine is the only hope of keeping them as low as possible. We can't magic more hospitals, doctors and nurses etc.
**** times.
bear66
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The fix is one of a number of a number that have been put forward. At this stage they are only hypotheses. The researchers clearly want to work with the two drug companies to do the necessary trials. This is going to be important for subsequent generations of these vaccines.