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Its safer than being in an enclosed room - a pub.

and what if large numbers congregate in pubs pre-match. Its not just stadiums which need to be safe but the whole match day experience and journey.
 
Glover_elbow said:
Its safer than being in an enclosed room - a pub.

and what if large numbers congregate in pubs pre-match. Its not just stadiums which need to be safe but the whole match day experience and journey.
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They aren't able to congregate in pubs in large numbers under the current rules.
 
Corco65 said:
When players who are in so called bubbles and test regularly catch it, and Mr Trump and crew can spread it wildly it would seem at an outdoor event, why take unnecessary risks and potential to spread it further and create more and more problems for the NHS, the rates of infection are going up and up, so no from me.


When players who are in so called bubbles and test regularly catch it, and Mr Trump and crew can spread it wildly it would seem at an outdoor event, why take unnecessary risks and potential to spread it further and create more and more problems for the NHS, the rates of infection are going up and up, so no from me.
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We have to adapt - if it means wearing a mask forever - thats fine.
Calculating "risk" means including all factors in the assessment.

You are closer to infection transmission in an enclosed area [like M&S or Aldi].
 
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Based on what science?
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There has been numerous reports published which give etimates for transmission rates indoors vs outdoors. Plus you don't really need scientific evidence to tell you that sitting a distance from other in a well ventilated/outdoor area is less risky that indoor events/activities.
Yes there are things that need managing - access and egress in a methodical manner, management of toilets and concourses etc, but this can be done if the will is there.
 
wilkos_perm said:
If done correctly they can create a low risk environment. Certainly much lower risk thatn schools, workplaces, pubs etc etc.
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It’s not so much in the stands, but toilets, concourses, bars and turnstiles will be the problem, not to mention people gathering in pubs before and after the match.

It’s not going to be for ever, but we have to show patience at the moment, not start petitioning for measures that could increase the risk of spreading the virus.
 
wilkos_perm said:
There has been numerous reports published which give etimates for transmission rates indoors vs outdoors. Plus you don't really need scientific evidence to tell you that sitting a distance from other in a well ventilated/outdoor area is less risky that indoor events/activities.
Yes there are things that need managing - access and egress in a methodical manner, management of toilets and concourses etc, but this can be done if the will is there.
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"numerous reports published" such as?

"you don't really need scientific evidence" why? Are we ok to just go on common sense?

I ask for evidence as it's not just people sitting in a well ventilated stadium is it? It's travelling to the ground (walking, car, taxi, trains). Going to the pub before and after. Using the enclosed toilets. Using the indoor concourse. Maybe visiting the ticket office. Getting a taxi home.

If all people did was walk to the ground 2 metres apart and sit outdoors then go for it, but we all know that a day at the football involves many other things.
 
r00fie1 said:
This is not about idiots who flout the rules, anymore than the pizzed louts hugging and kissing each other on Friday night or sitting like ants on a beach.

If we want to move forward, we have to think laterally - we cant freeze human behaviour ad infinitum.
We have to be innovative and use fresh approaches to daily living.

We have to adapt - if it means wearing a mask forever - thats fine.
Calculating "risk" means including all factors in the assessment.

Risk cannot in any area of life and social interaction be equal to zero. There is no such thing as zero-risk.
Being afraid of a virus means retrograde steps and reactivity to situations as they change.

"An outdoor event" - must include - by your definition - shopping in The Hill Street Centre. Using Middlesbrough Bus Station. Walking along Linthorpe Road. Using Teesside Park?

Thousands of people are around all of us in those scenarios - but The Riverside was far safer in the recent experiemnt.

You are closer to infection transmission in an enclosed area [like M&S or Aldi].

Its no good shouting "health" - you have to balance the mental health impact as well as the virus. If we focus on one aspect of public health risk management, we miss the whole picture.

There are numerous instances ogf self - harm and a spike in suicidal ideation and high risk behaviours associated with depressive episodes and other mental health issues. You cant ignore the mental health impact on our fellow citizens by talking about a few kids who are paid a lot of money to kick a football.

If you want to reduce risk by a high margin - stop the sale of alcohol! I dont think you will get much joy out of that.

Banning 25% attendence of responsible adults to watch Middlesbrough v Reading [for example] in a controlled, clean, regulated environment wont encourage wreckless behaviour - but walking through Hill Street Centre you are more likely to be exposed to the virus.
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You can get very ill through smoking but many people still do it, so let's all smoke then. I just don't think people should be undertaking unnecessary risks in whatever situation it is.

No where is Covid safe, it depends on the bahaviour of others which no one can predict despite all safeguards and also people knowing they are infected. Report out this week saying how the virus is spread airborne and lingers longer then first thought even outdoors. We don't know where all this is going to end or enough about it. It's not just about people who are dying their are 1000's reporting long Covid complications which are having big impact on quality of life and potentially life limiting.

I don't think it is wise to encourage others to go and watch a group of millionaires kick a ball around, I believe that is irresponsible at this moment in time, regardless of some other things that can cause the spread but you are allowed to do I would say don't do them any of them for the time being unless absolutely necessary. Just my opinion though, not saying I'm right but I will do what I can to keep myself and others safe and if not having football is a small sacrifice, then I'm perfectly happy to make it.
 
Watching German football this weekend, and the round up last night, some clubs have fans present, and quite a few at Union Berlin, while Bayern had none.

They're having a go without having a blanket approach. Bringing crowds back should be started by areas with fewer cases, restricted in regions where the virus is rife.

Unfortunately Talkshyte are looking for a blanket approach, so it's a no from me.
 
Have signed, but it would be better if talk bigot weren't involved and was part of a concerted effort to allow safe spectating (socially distanced/tested) at all sports and entertainment venues.

The argument about what happens outside the grounds/venue doesn't wash for me because there are rules in place already to disperse such illegal gatherings. Inside the grounds and venues it's the club's/owners responsibility. Most hospitality venue owners have systems in place for ensuring their customers comply, football club's would do the same.

The current spike isn't being spread by people meeting responsibly at Covid-19 compliant venues and events, but by individuals confused by contradictory rules and the government's failure to introduce effective track and trace!
 
wilkos_perm said:
There has been numerous reports published which give etimates for transmission rates indoors vs outdoors. Plus you don't really need scientific evidence to tell you that sitting a distance from other in a well ventilated/outdoor area is less risky that indoor events/activities.
Yes there are things that need managing - access and egress in a methodical manner, management of toilets and concourses etc, but this can be done if the will is there.
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May I just add that "the will" is there: at Boro`s recent "experiment" match with 1000 fans - the concourse was clean and directions were clear and concise. All other public areas were clearly signposted.
The biggest issue we have as a population is the COMPLETE LACK OF CONSISTENT INFORMED ACCOUNTABLE LEADERSHIP FROM THE PRIME MINISTER AND MINISTERIAL COLLEAGUES.
There has been A BREAKDOWN OF TRUST BETWEEN THOSE RESPONSIBLE FOR PROTECTING PUBLIC HEALTH AND US.
Those are the reasons we find ourselves in the current state of CONFUSION and DENIAL.
 
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Otto42 said:
Have signed, but it would be better if talk bigot weren't involved and was part of a concerted effort to allow safe spectating (socially distanced/tested) at all sports and entertainment venues.

The argument about what happens outside the grounds/venue doesn't wash for me because there are rules in place already to disperse such illegal gatherings. Inside the grounds and venues it's the club's/owners responsibility. Most hospitality venue owners have systems in place for ensuring their customers comply, football club's would do the same.

The current spike isn't being spread by people meeting responsibly at Covid-19 compliant venues and events, but by individuals confused by contradictory rules and the government's failure to introduce effective track and trace!
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And some of those very people could be attending a game and we still have no effective track and trace.
 
r00fie1 said:
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May I just add that "the will" is there: at Boro`s recent "experiment" match with 1000 fans - the concourse was clean and directions were clear and concise. All other public areas were clearly signposted. Theres no difference using the toilets under the West Stand compared to using the toilets in the Isaac Wilson [except you dont have to bound up that staircase!].

The biggest issue we have as a population is the COMPLETE LACK OF CONSISTENT INFORMED ACCOUNTABLE LEADERSHIP FROM THE PRIME MINISTER AND MINISTERIAL COLLEAGUES.

There has been A BREAKDOWN OF TRUST BETWEEN THOSE RESPONSIBLE FOR PROTECTING PUBLIC HEALTH AND US.

Those are the reasons we find ourselves in the current state of CONFUSION and DENIAL.
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I agree so take it into your own hands to protect public health and don't attend unnecessary events at this time.
 
I am just saying let's not attend unnecessary events such as a football match that has potential to cause people to spread and catch the virus, I don't think attending a match or not will have a big impact on someone's mental health and there are alternatives to watch it. Front line NHS staff have been through enough trauma as have others.

In a more general sense that's a good question and there are no easy answers. You could open everything up and hope for the best, but that would cause emotional distress to a whole lot of other people, those that would emotionally be happy by that, might then become physically sick for a long time or worse, we don't know just don't know. We either abide by what we are being advised in the hope that it's the right advice and the right thing to do or we all say forget it, it's every person for themselves and the total anarchy that follows, I now which I prefer.
 
r00fie1 said:
When will we have an effective "track and trace" do you think.
Is there a reasonable time frame we have to get these private publicly funded companies to get a system up and running?
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Haven't got a clue, we should already have one in my opinion if it wasn't for government incompetence.
 
Corco65 said:
I am just saying let's not attend unnecessary events such as a football match that has potential to cause people to spread and catch the virus, I don't think attending a match or not will have a big impact on someone's mental health and there are alternatives to watch it. Front line NHS staff have been through enough trauma as have others.

In a more general sense that's a good question and there are no easy answers. You could open everything up and hope for the best, but that would cause emotional distress to a whole lot of other people, those that would emotionally be happy by that, might then become physically sick for a long time or worse, we don't know just don't know. We either abide by what we are being advised in the hope that it's the right advice and the right thing to do or we all say forget it, it's every person for themselves and the total anarchy that follows, I now which I prefer.
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Ive not seen anyone on this thread suggesting we should "open everything up and hope for the best"?
There are those idiots and "freedom fighters" who believe the cemetries filled with the victims of covid are a hoax.
Obviously non of my collegues in the NHS who have died from covid19 - they were faking it werent they? [Parody].
Those irresponsibel "adults" (?!!!) who refuse to wear a mask or take precautions to reduce risk to others, are complete arzholes.
UTMB:mad:(y)
 
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Watched Sky Sports News today and all it was going on about is various sporting people contacting Covid. They should be thinking about shutting it down not letting people in.
First it will be 1000, then 25%, then before you know it they will be braying for full opening. Feel sorry for the little clubs but now is not the time. If I had to open anything up it would be League 1 and below. You could work that.
 
The guy from Fleetwood yesterday said their losses would total about 1.5 million. That's nothing when you see what Premier League teams are still spending.
 
asredastheycome said:
The guy from Fleetwood yesterday said their losses would total about 1.5 million. That's nothing when you see what Premier League teams are still spending.
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The Premier League are so far above the clouds its beyond belief.
It shows what many of us fans have been saying for years - its a brand for a few elite clubs: the rest are also-rans.
 
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