Labour reinstates Jeremy Corbyn

SuperStu said:
Nothings more electable than centrists and Blairites. Just ask Prime Minister Swinson and her Change UK coalition partners. It's why remain won at a canter and you never hear anything about Scottish independence these days.
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It’s well documented that hatred and division is much easier that co-operation.
This thread demonstrates it to a T
 
1finny said:
It’s well documented that hatred and division is much easier that co-operation.
This thread demonstrates it to a T
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I don't really know what you're getting at here Finny. Who do you think should be co-operating with who? What do they have to do to be co-operating?
 
MolteniArcore said:
Ah, it's their fault, not yours. Cool. Carry on as you are. It's working isn't it?
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MolteniArcore said:
Ah, it's their fault, not yours. Cool. Carry on as you are. It's working isn't it?
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You might not realise this but the centrists are the ones currently in power at Labour HQ.

Labour and Starmer clearly didn’t follow their own procedures in suspending Corbyn from the party, and suspended members of the party for publicly supporting him. How exactly is that supposed to bring unity?

Your solution to the left is to lie down and take it. That isn’t going to happen. At a time when he should be hammering the Tories he’s instigated a civil war in his own party.

As I said when Starmer suspended Corbyn, this was a total unforced error. An act of political incompetence that gave himself no good way out.

The Tories have already done what I said they’d do, use this to bash Labour and push for more Labour MPs to be suspended from the party.

I trust Mr Forensic will be suspending these people from the party as I type, or does his stance only apply the the left?

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Lets remember - JC is still an MP.
He is an MP who votes with his conscience, isn’t afraid to challenge his party so ‘the whip’ is less important to him.
It becomes an issue at an election but we are a long way from that and he’d prob win his seat as in independent.
 
A newly-independent MP stole the PMQs limelight from Keir Starmer
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Neither Boris Johnson nor Keir Starmer took centre stage during Prime Minister’s Questions (PMQs) on Wednesday 18 November. Because a newly-independent MP unintentionally took the limelight.

Starmer: the backlash intensifies

Talk about a misstep by Starmer. Because he decided to come out and say that he wasn’t giving Jeremy Corbyn the whip back right before PMQs. This came after Corbyn was first suspended, and then reinstated, by the party machinery over comments he made about the Equality and Human Rights Commission (EHRC)’s investigation into alleged antisemitism in the Labour Party.
Firstly, Starmer not giving Corbyn the whip back prompted a furious backlash from the latter’s supporters on social media. Former shadow chancellor John McDonnell was not happy:

This is just plain wrong & will cause more division & disunity in party. Jeremy’s gone through the formal procedures & decision has been made properly. I appeal to everyone that surely it’s time to move on & start working together to implement the EHRC. https://t.co/d851cLnFr4

Andrew Feinstein called the situation “farcical”:



This is the most farcical thing I’ve ever seen. He bends in the wind worse than a wind sock. Starmer is making Theresa May seem charismatic & a strategic genius. Corbyn should just sue the incompetent fool & form a new party! https://t.co/7CeNpk6I1u
— Andrew Feinstein (@andrewfeinstein) November 18, 2020​



Momentum has launched a petition:



Keir Starmer’s decision to remove the whip from #JeremyCorbyn is a joke. A disciplinary panel found that Corbyn broke no rules – so now Starmer is making it up as he goes along.
Sign our petition to restore the whip!
https://t.co/ok85fsdGkf pic.twitter.com/RLZSnObVlw
— Momentum (@PeoplesMomentum) November 18, 2020​



The Canary‘s editor-at-large Kerry-Anne Mendoza made an important point:



Who could’ve seen this coming?
*checks notes
Every left-wing commentator worth their salt. https://t.co/ojdBdNi57B
— Kerry-Anne Mendoza (@TheMendozaWoman) November 18, 2020​



But it was Rachael Swindon who hit the nail on the head best:



Keir Starmer wrong in 5 ways.
•Agreed with Corbyn’s view of scale in 2019 Marr
•Breached P.27 of EHRC right to free speech
•Misquoted Jeremy’s reply to EHRC report
•Politically interfered in process breaching EHRC
•Breached EHRC rule not to have opaque arbitrary discipline
— Rachael Swindon (@Rachael_Swindon) November 18, 2020​


Making it up as he goes along?

Secondly, there are procedural problems that Starmer may have caused. Momentum founder Jon Lansman pointed out on Twitter that:

The decision not to restore the whip to Corbyn just announced has driven a coach and horses through the party’s disciplinary process, making it subservient to the parliamentary party and embedding ‘political interference’. The whip was only removed because he had been suspended!​

In other words, the NEC found that Corbyn had not breached party rules. So, Starmer technically may not have a right not to restore the whip to him. Or if he does, it raises serious questions about how the leader can override official party procedure.
Sowing seeds of division

Thirdly, many people are pointing out that this will create further division in the Labour Party. Red Labour tweeted that (edited for ease of reading):

Starmer’s decision not to restore the whip to Corbyn is vengeful, divisive and provocative. It is designed to put a wedge between socialists in the party and the PLP [Parliamentary Labour Party] and pick us off, one by one. Well, we have one message for Sir Keir: you have a fight on your hands.​

Moreover, Starmer’s decision to announce he would not give the whip back to Corbyn raises serious questions about his leadership.

Opportunism or appalling leadership?

Media-wise, it reeks of opportunism and intentional bad timing. Starmer must have known that his decision would dominate social media across the entire day. He also must have known it would make the headlines. The Tory government has been repeatedly exposed as utterly (and maybe intentionally) negligent over the coronavirus (Covid-19) pandemic. So, you’d think the Labour Party would want that as its focus. But instead, Starmer has allowed a subservient Tory media to make the headlines about Corbyn.

Why would he do this? It could be appalling leadership. But Starmer surely isn’t that useless.

Maybe it’s because, as Robert Peston pointed out, Starmer is trying to embed his vision of the party:



Starmer is defining his leadership of Labour. It is his version of Tony Blair’s determination to abolish Clause lV
— Robert Peston (@Peston) November 18, 2020​



Yet in reality, all Starmer has done is to further split the party into its various factions; alienate supporters, and give the media a feeding-frenzy. Meanwhile, the Tory government is presiding over the gradual breakdown of UK society. Starmer’s priorities, and leadership, are wrong in so many ways.
 
Pog said:
You might not realise this but the centrists are the ones currently in power at Labour HQ.

Labour and Starmer clearly didn’t follow their own procedures in suspending Corbyn from the party, and suspended members of the party for publicly supporting him. How exactly is that supposed to bring unity?

Your solution to the left is to lie down and take it. That isn’t going to happen. At a time when he should be hammering the Tories he’s instigated a civil war in his own party.

As I said when Starmer suspended Corbyn, this was a total unforced error. An act of political incompetence that gave himself no good way out.

The Tories have already done what I said they’d do, use this to bash Labour and push for more Labour MPs to be suspended from the party.

I trust Mr Forensic will be suspending these people from the party as I type, or does his stance only apply the the left?

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Like I said, it's their fault, not yours. Carry on.
 
There are times, when I look in on here, that I think I must have nodded off and awoken in 1970’s Vietnam, that, or the middle of a sitcom about the Tooting Popular Front.

Corbyn has gone, he is no longer Labour leader (it is questionable if he ever really led anyone tbf) common sense has prevailed thank goodness, his like never had a chance of real power thank the lord. I would respectfully suggest that anyone who feels a new ‘socialist’ party is needed, crack on with the courage of your convictions. It would be as effective as a one legged man in a backside kicking contest.

I guess some people will never accept the fairness of a majority view in a democracy. Maybe democracy isn’t for them and a federal Russia would be more to their liking. If people are so adamant, don’t play at it on a message-board, put your money where your mouth is and start the ball rolling and see if Jezza and his cronies will entertain your actions in the process (I am guessing he wouldn’t), you’d be simultaneously doing your best to keep the tories in power through such actions mind.
 
r00fie1 said:
That doesnt really answer the question.
Given his "performance" thus far, it is questionable whether Sir Starmer will be around to hang his sack up for Santa(y)
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That's objective I suppose. I think he's doing great. Would have been even better if he kept Corbyn out of sight.
 
coluka said:
I would respectfully suggest that anyone who feels a new ‘socialist’ party is needed, crack on with the courage of your convictions. It would be as effective as a one legged man in a backside kicking contest.
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A bit like that new centrist party you were so happy about, what was their name again? The Funny Tinge party?
 
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