Labour reinstates Jeremy Corbyn
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MolteniArcore
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Must be a red Tory as JC (that's Jesus Corbyn, not Jesus Christ) has never done anything wrong! Nor has his supporters. Pesky Gordon Brown - he's part of the stooges that did the war. Don't listen to him. JC hates war. Apart from war inside his own party.
Chris_Boro
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Starmtroopers?
Good grief.Corbyn was the leader unable to bring the civil war in the party to an end which started with him being elected, and ultimately ended with a crushing election defeat. Regardless of your political leanings you simply cannot ignore the views of large parts of the party, which he certainly did.
When will the penny drop with you that despite the great policies of Jeremy Corbyn, he made poor decisions and judgements as leader and he is responsible for that?
Labour need to unite around the common goal of getting rid of this god awful government and Jeremy Corbyn's response to a report that would massively help that, brought the party back to square one.
Insulting people for having different views on Jeremy Corbyn places you in a similar place to those that blindly follow Donald Trump.
1finny
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Many JC fans have no desire to ‘unite’ to rid us of Johnson.
Their choice of course.
Irony.
How come Tuesday evening/Wednesday morning wasn't the time to unite? Corbyn had served his suspension, put out a new statement most saw as rowing back on the first one (you yourself posted about it on here Finny IIRC!) and the party's disciplinary process had apparently been followed (if a little fudged with the conflicting reports on political interference at the start).
Seeing as Mr Forensic, the brilliant legal mind, was the one to churn the whole thing up again why is there an expectation that the left should just keep jumping through hoops?
Lets be honest here. Supposing Corbyn puts out a statement saying "okay I admit it, I was terrible, I caused all the antisemitism, I'm an antisemite! etc etc etc" does anyone really think that would be the end of it? Nothing will ever be enough to satisfy the right wing faction in the Labour party.
While Starmer's wasted this week stirring up Labour infighting again, the tories have stolen the "Green Industrial Revolution" policy name. Classic trick of theirs, stealing the names of Labour policies without the associated actions. Takes all the oomph out of campaigning on policies by making it seem like they've already happened. See also: the "living wage" that's not a living wage and the Northern powerhouse that doesn't look any different to before.
You can't recall if Gordon Brown, one of the central figures of the New Labour era, is on the left of the party or the right?
Pog
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You’re a bit late to the party. I’ve said for years he wasn’t strong enough as leader, especially when it come to his failure to remove the whip from the likes of Umunna, Woodcock, Mann, Austin, Hooey, etc out of the Labour Party. People who toured the tv and radio studios doing everything they could to undermine Labour’s General Election chances.
Labour won’t unite now, Starmer has blown it. He’s chosen PR stunts ahead of a united party. His leadership will be defined by this, a bloke who spent more time fighting the left than he did fighting Boris Johnson.
Pog
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Exactly.
All this time fighting Corbyn, the CLPs in his own party and the left in general could have been spent on challenging the lack of detail and money behind the Green Industrial Revolution, which the Tories have stole from Labour.
But as we’ve seen, Starmer is far more comfortable fighting those on the left than those on the right.
SouthStandSY
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JC said one antisemite is too many....
He also said the problem was exaggerated by his enemies within the party & outside for political gain, to damage his leadership & Labour's election chances!....
That is a statement of truth, he has NOTHING to apologise for!.....
Chris_Boro
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So you think that Corbyn showed poor leadership in that he should have removed to whip from those who disagreed with his policies and leadership but kick up a huge fuss at Starmer for doing what you advocate to Corbyn but this now shows poor leadership??
What those MP's did was very wrong, but as leader, Corbyn did nothing to show any kind of compromise or concern for their views which exacerbated tensions within the party.
Corbyn deliberately went against Labour’s response to the report and caused huge damage to the party. He has clarified his own response to the report but has yet to apologise for the damage it caused to the parties efforts to move on from this saga.
Corbyn caused this with his reaction, he is the one that needs to rebuild trust if he wants the whip restored.
Corbyn's first cabinet was a compromise. Had lots of representation for the right wing of the party - certainly more than Starmer's did for the left even before booting out Rebecca Long Bailey.
Then those right wing MPs all flounced and resigned their positions. One by one, so that it was a media story for days. And they started the morning after the EU referendum result as well - probably the weakest time for the tories in the last decade. Cameron had sh*t his pants and ran away. Boris and Gove looked like they were about to burst in to tears. And instead of pile the pressure on, the Parliamentary Labour Party decided that was the time to try and "break Corbyn as a man". It starts to sound familiar over time, doesn't it? Any opportunity to actually start taking the fight to the tories, the right wing Labour MPs decide to cover for them and dredge up some Labour infighting. And then they have the cheek to turn around and cry about unity.
Pog
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They didn’t simply disagree with him policies, some of them spent years publicly questioning his leadership and some even told the public to vote Tory.
How can you comprise with people who see you as in existential threat? He won 2 leadership contests and the biggest swing in a general election in 45 years and it still wasn’t enough for these people.
By the way I wouldn’t have suspended CLPs and members for supporting these people, that isn’t party democracy. But that’s what the current regime have done.
Corbyn has never publicly trashed Starmer despite severe provocation. The EHRC report made clear he was free to express the views he did, he was wrongly suspended, reinstated unanimously by the NEC when it was clear the decision was wrong and Corbyn would win any court case, so now Starmer has dug even deeper and ignored the NEC by removing the whip.
Why do people find it so difficult to admit Starmer is in the wrong here and has monumentally f****d up this entire process?
He just comes across a slippery. He doesn’t follow process, he can spend four years trying to elect a man to the highest office in the land who he now wants out the party, and he’s now supporting the Tories on Brexit which he spent two years trying to reverse.
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1finny
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a touch of sarcasm on my post which is always tricky.
Where he is on a left/right spectrum is personal depending where an individual is on the same spectrum.
Don't think I agree tbh. Obviously you get very extreme individuals like Peter Hitchens insisting everybody in the world is left wing compared to him. I don't think anyone objective could sensibly argue that Brown was on the left wing end of Labour MPs though really. Just as I doubt anyone will sensibly argue that Corbyn and McDonnell are on the right wing end of Labour MPs.
Same_as_before
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Same_as_before
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Why do a lot of Jewish Leaders and MPs think differently? are they making it up?
I am very fortunate and never had any type of racism or bigotry against me, I am sure to get it say in day out must be terrible . Anyway I already read your views on the less able.
r00fie1
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You may hopefully, base your "serious" points on sources more credible than Private Eye.
It will certainly give you a degree of credence and respectability.
1finny
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Come on Roofie - we know your sources are always better than anyone else’s