Keir Starmer giving Johnson another tough time at PMQ’s

Am i right in saying Priti Patel has done one of these daily press conference jobbies ? She seems to have gone back under a rock again, and how many has brave sir Boris done ?



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Funky_Chicken said:
Am i right in saying Priti Patel has done one of these daily press conference jobbies ? She seems to have gone back under a rock again, and how many has brave sir Boris done ?



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She refused to apologise, and said something ludicrous about figures. Given she's only done one conference the sneering scumbag was even more hopeless than usual
 
BoroMart said:
claims of Tory Lite are not the same as being Tory Lite....
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Fair enough. May be wrong, but I don't think there are any historical examples of Labour leaders swinging to the left after being elected though. If Starmer makes an effort to look and sound like Tory Lite while in opposition that's probably what he'd be like in government.
 
Superstu, I am at the point now where I would take any government who could, well, actually govern. Start with the NHS and social support. Costa and Amazon can wait for the minute.
 
Laughing said:
Superstu, I am at the point now where I would take any government who could, well, actually govern. Start with the NHS and social support. Costa and Amazon can wait for the minute.
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And that's fine of course. I expect plenty will feel the same as you and Tory Lite will probably a more popular sell for the Labour Party than Democratic Socialism was.
 
I have been thinking for a while now, and I may be nuts, but..

If Starmer called for a vote of no-confidence, surely some conservative mp's would vote for that? They cannot all be blind to what is going on. That would suggest that either:

1. The don't agree that the current cabinet are making a balls up that is costing human lives
2. The see what is happening and just don't care, they like the power too much

I don't think that Johnson is the only problem, it must go deeper than that. In fact I am not even sure he is the main problem.
 
I doubt you'd get a single tory supporting it tbh. Even if they personally agreed with it, they'd surely calculate that the no confidence vote wouldn't get enough support to pass so they'd be sacrificing their careers to make a mooted protest point against Boris.
 
I honestly believe that we are way past the point of worrying about political agendas and allegiances. The UK is going to end up with a lot of dead people who could have been saved. In the event of a second peak, we are talking, possibly hundreds of thousands needlessly lost.

The seriousness of the situation is why I can only sit and wonder at why MP's are sitting back and supporting this. Don't get me started on the fmttm tories. Though to be fair they have, largely, gone quiet.

Or maybe I just misunderstand the situation.

It is not too late to do something to help those still alive.
 
Laughing said:
I honestly believe that we are way past the point of worrying about political agendas and allegiances. The UK is going to end up with a lot of dead people who could have been saved. In the event of a second peak, we are talking, possibly hundreds of thousands needlessly lost.

The seriousness of the situation is why I can only sit and wonder at why MP's are sitting back and supporting this. Don't get me started on the fmttm tories. Though to be fair they have, largely, gone quiet.

Or maybe I just misunderstand the situation.

It is not too late to do something to help those still alive.
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Listen to catch-up Brandon Lewis on the R4 Today programme today. The government have given up.

Apparently we've recruited 1500 track and tracers. Was it three weeks ago that the quest for 18000 started? Employ South Koreans to get the job done
 
Chris_Boro said:
BBC Breakfast today...

Naga Munchetty: "Does this government believe that 5 and 6 yr olds can be made to observe social distancing in the classroom and playground"

Brandon Lewis: "Yes"

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He's a bright one. Do they just say whatever suites the agenda.
 
Chris_Boro said:
BBC Breakfast today...

Naga Munchetty: "Does this government believe that 5 and 6 yr olds can be made to observe social distancing in the classroom and playground"

Brandon Lewis: "Yes"

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If you thrash the living daylights out of them if they don't then it's possible I guess. It'd certainly appeal to some on the right of the nasty party.
 
SuperStu said:
Fair enough. May be wrong, but I don't think there are any historical examples of Labour leaders swinging to the left after being elected though. If Starmer makes an effort to look and sound like Tory Lite while in opposition that's probably what he'd be like in government.
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I think the claims is based on how he sounds (middle class), how he dresses/grooms (middle class) and his previous career Lawyer (upper middle class). Thus the lazy trope goes that he must be economically and socially on the right.

It's easy to spin that, but what actually matters is his views on personal freedom/state control (should be pretty easy to gauge due to his work as a human rights lawyer) and his feelings on enabling/stopping the transfer of money from the many to the few (that will come out in his policy and can be seen in his previous voting patterns). He isn't Tory Lite, he is soft left. Labour leaders will always be either accused of being dangerous commies if they are strong left, or Tory Lite if soft left. The reality is he is still left of centre, but not extreme, that's a good thing
 
Hopefully at the next PMQ's Mr Starmer can ask why the 'wording' surrounding covid-19 deaths is changing.
From dying 'of' and 'with' to deaths 'associated' and deaths 'linked' with.
 
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