Keir Starmer giving Johnson another tough time at PMQ’s

I'd like to see Labour get really litigious with publications or individuals that spread falsehoods about them. I think long term that's probably Labour's best chance of avoiding the media being completely ruinous for them.
 
SuperStu said:
Think that's a bit unfair. Can't really agree that Corbyn got where he was through vacuous sloganeering.
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Maybe not, it's more the cult of personality thing. People, quite rightly, agree with his socialist policies but lots didn't stand up to scrutiny. He didn't adapt, just kept the same approach, strengthening his fanbase but alienating anyone who was on the fence.
 
Personally i quite liked Corbyn, i thought most of his policies were sound, however he just wasn’t very well liked, not even in his own party. This became very apparent to me the more and more people i spoke to during canvassing before the last election. In short people either didn’t trust him, or didn’t like him due to his links to certain groups linked with terrorism. Add all that with an unclear stance on Brexit it was always going to be an uphill task to topple the Tories - I think we’re in very different territory now with Starmer, although it looks like the Tories are going to try their best to smear him with this child abuse case somehow. Hopefully mud flinging won’t work this time.




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Funky_Chicken said:
Personally i quite liked Corbyn, i thought most of his policies were sound, however he just wasn’t very well liked, not even in his own party. This became very apparent to me the more and more people i spoke to during canvassing before the last election. In short people either didn’t trust him, or didn’t like him due to his links to certain groups linked with terrorism. Add all that with an unclear stance on Brexit it was always going to be an uphill task to topple the Tories - I think we’re in very different territory now with Starmer, although it looks like the Tories are going to try their best to smear him with this child abuse case somehow. Hopefully mud flinging won’t work this time.




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Well the first wave of attacks was about as subtle as a sledgehammer. It also backfired most spectacularly. I wonder if, given how hated people like Nadine Dorries are anyway Cummings offered them up as sacrificial lambs to see if blatant lying and doctoring videos would work? I imagine he's fine tuning the attacks and making them more subtle before giving them to more important ministers.
 
Fine line is right. Looks like he’s walking it very well.

Get admissions on record in parliament now. Can use them later when it’s all over and the enquiries start up.
Express encouragement for the government to do everything it can. Make some suggestions about practical improvements in how things happen which the person in the street can easily grasp.
Show that you’re competent, intelligent and you care about the people and the country.
 
Anton_Berg said:
People want to see the opposition supporting the government until we're past the crisis, after which they can go back to full on adversarial mode.
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Speak for yourself, not for everyone! I want the opposition to hold the government to account while they are making decisions that impact peoples lives, not wait until they've killed 1,000s and then say oops, you shouldn't have done that.
 
Baggins said:
No matter what people think I believe Starmer also has an image problem, he is a lawyer, and opinion of the legal profession (especially those with his history on some very inflammatory situations) is poor at best. They are certainly not seen as being on the side of the "people".
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Are any/many MPs? Being in a hated profession hasn't done other MPs any harm. People will never see someone on 80k+ a year as being on the side of the people, most people think they should pay travel expenses and office allowances out of their own wage ffs.
 
Muttley said:
I'm sorry UR you are parroting Tory propaganda. I can't be bothered to go over the reasoning that Brown actually did a very good job because you have become enamored of that narrative. In any case, it is also a decade old, you might as well quote Harold Wilson for all the relevance to today. Ten years of Tory austerity and you seem to be suffering from Stockholm Syndrome.
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Agreed Muttley, we had our record number of periods of GDP growth with Brown as our chancellor, he was undoubtedly very good at it. The global banking collapse wasn't instigated by him and couldn't have been avoided either. He messed up with gold stocks, but it was a gamble that didn't work. When you buy and sell assets, there's always an element of gamble.
 
Funky_Chicken said:
Personally i quite liked Corbyn, i thought most of his policies were sound, however he just wasn’t very well liked, not even in his own party. This became very apparent to me the more and more people i spoke to during canvassing before the last election. In short people either didn’t trust him, or didn’t like him due to his links to certain groups linked with terrorism. Add all that with an unclear stance on Brexit it was always going to be an uphill task to topple the Tories - I think we’re in very different territory now with Starmer, although it looks like the Tories are going to try their best to smear him with this child abuse case somehow. Hopefully mud flinging won’t work this time.
Corbyn had too much baggage but he nearly won in 2017, his campaign in 2019 wasn’t nearly as clear or effective (too many pledges) and Johnson was on the side of democracy with the Brexit stance and was a ‘fresh’ face as well compared to Theresa.
Despite the 80 odd majority I think it’s very volatile though, Johnson is already struggling and I think Starmer is too professional for the child abuse smear to damage him.



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I see Boris has avoided yet another daily briefing and it was handled by the transport secretary instead. What is the point? Just put the scientists up there.
Say what you want about Donald Trump but at least he turns up to his media briefings however chaotic they may be.
 
RandySavage said:
I see Boris has avoided yet another daily briefing and it was handled by the transport secretary instead. What is the point? Just put the scientists up there.
Say what you want about Donald Trump but at least he turns up to his media briefings however chaotic they may be.
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Yeah but only because Trump is a complete narcissist - Johnson is just scared to face any kind of questioning and scrutiny. He’s a cheerleader, a spin doctor, the lovable rogue - happy to play to his adoring Tory chums in Parliament (when they were all there) but exposed and vulnerable to attack on his own



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RandySavage said:
I see Boris has avoided yet another daily briefing and it was handled by the transport secretary instead. What is the point? Just put the scientists up there.
Say what you want about Donald Trump but at least he turns up to his media briefings however chaotic they may be.
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It was a strange performance today by Grant Schapps, in the middle of a Covid 19 briefing he’s talking about filling in potholes. I don’t think this lot can wait until the agenda moves away from deaths in care homes.
 
RandySavage said:
I see Boris has avoided yet another daily briefing and it was handled by the transport secretary instead. What is the point? Just put the scientists up there.
Say what you want about Donald Trump but at least he turns up to his media briefings however chaotic they may be.
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He did storm out of one in a hissy fit the other day.
 
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