JM14
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What difference does it make? The same problems still exist. We can’t just ignore that because it happened last season
Just sack him now.
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newyddion
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A big problem we had last season was not having cover for Fry and Dijksteel.
This season we don’t have cover for Bola and we are once again struggling to cover for the loss of Dael Fry.. as well as Dijksteel and Hall.
That is the problem, I agree we had the same problem last season. If that is down to the manager then he has to go. I don’t think it is.. it’s INSANE that we have a full time recruitment department along with a Director of Football and we don’t have cover for Marc Bola!! No left sided centre back either.
Go round our squad in January, speak to their agents and I bet you could find two decent players in those positions. All the players that are injured.. get them on the case! Better than pishing away their money on gambling apps!!
Jonny Ingbar
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That's fine in principal but who's to say that man is avaliable, or even if the club know who it is?
The appointment is crucial, I'd be willing to leave NWon post, if it means we get the right man.
indeedido
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I have to take issue with the view that all critics of Warnock are critical because they don't like him, or his personality.
I actually do like him overall and respect what he has done in the game.
I also believe he has been very unlucky with defensive injuries this season.
But he has been all over the place with his selections and decisions at times this season. It is simply odd not to have a criticism of him, or to group everyone being critical of him as "bed wetting" spoilt brats.
I would absolutely love him to drive us to the playoffs and promotion and I have anything but an agenda against him. I just simply don't have confidence he will get anywhere near it.
I actually do like him overall and respect what he has done in the game.
I also believe he has been very unlucky with defensive injuries this season.
But he has been all over the place with his selections and decisions at times this season. It is simply odd not to have a criticism of him, or to group everyone being critical of him as "bed wetting" spoilt brats.
I would absolutely love him to drive us to the playoffs and promotion and I have anything but an agenda against him. I just simply don't have confidence he will get anywhere near it.
Caesium137
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Why are you utterly discounting his results since January though Newy?
Since he started getting in his favoured forward players in and setting the team up how he wanted us to more often, we have got worse and worse.
You throw away the fitness levels/up to speed-ness of NML & Bolasie like some stroke of bad luck. He chose to sign them and play them, and dropped Johnson who had been very effective in the earlier part of the season to do so. He sent our two wing backs out on loan and released the other, but still regularly plays with wingbacks, even when Bola and Dijksteel have been available.
We capitulated at the end of season and may as well not bothered fulfilling fixtures for the last moth, he didn't try out any youngsters or seemingly think we were doing much wrong.
How many games have we won/lost/drawn from January when started his squad re-shaping?
At what point is enough enough for you?
If we go till the end of the season never beating anyone above us, looking unfit, regularly conceding daft goals and finish 16th and he walks out the door with a demoralised unfit squad is that a success and we start again?
What have we got to lose? I assume Scott and Gibbo pretty much know a short list of three or so who we want. What do MFC get out of the Neil Warnock retirement tour / Talksport talking point roadshow in six months time?
The answer is nothing, he's massively underachieving with the squad we have available, we seem to have poor fitness, shape, organisation, set plays, possession, goals for & against and I can't really remember a year where we have had so many first teasers consistently injured.
Colin Warnek
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But even in play off seasons you get flogged by crap teams. That's the nature of the Championship and if you don't know that, your head must have been in the sand for the last 10 years.
The fact is if we are still on course for the top 6, Warnock deserves to stay. If the gap widens, then I'd be inclined differently.
Colin Warnek
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So you'd be saying the same if we had only 3 more points and were 6th? I don't think so, we'd be on target for the season so you'd be surely laughed out of the argument. That is the margins we are talking about - 3 solitary points - at the moment and some people are saying sack him. Honestly ludicrous.
Colin Warnek
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But he is fairly near it,now. Fair enough not to have confidence but he's got to be given the chance.
JM14
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Of course I would, we could have won against Birmingham and probably ended up 6th, but there is 5 points between 5th and 14th, so as I said the league means nothing at this stage. If we’re 3 points off 6th 30 games in you might have a point
Our form this year is shocking, and our performances against any half decent side is also shocking. And we also aren’t improving and arguably getting worse in most games
Colin Warnek
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If you're calling for our manager's head when we're around 6th position then I don't know what to say. Other than what on Earth more could you expect. We've never had a hope of automatic this season.
newyddion
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I’m not lumping last years results in with this seasons.. it doesn’t make sense. I’m not say the fitness levels of NML or Bolasie were a stroke of bad luck.. I’m saying we gambled on them because they are all we could afford and it didn’t pay off. Chances are it wouldn’t have anyway with Fry and Dijksteel being injured.
At what point is enough, enough with me?
For what? Chatting football on message boards? I don’t think I’ve got long left tbh!!
As I’ve said no one was calling for Karanka’s head 14 games into the 14/15 season.. so why would folks be doing it with Warnock.. especially after finishing on the exact same points total as Karanka the season before. Take Fredericks, Onerou, Gibson & Friend out of Karanka’s squad and does he get the boot when he’s 3 points off a playoff place?
The problem is not with the manager.. it’s with ‘the fans’ - online fans, wannabe journos, Twitter ITKs, social media trolls etc etc
The league is so tight the difference between playoffs and relegation in minimal. No other manager is getting more out of this squad as it stands. We over achieved last season and we’re doing well to keep in the mix this season.
I’m not a fan of folks wanting to Chuck the season in the bin just because they can understand football or think for themselves.. do you remember folks calling for Southgate to get the chop after the group stages in the EUROS?
It’s the same thing, the EXACT same thing, I didn’t want Southgate to get the boot after the group stages just like I don’t want Warnock to get the boot when we can still finish the season in the playoff places!
newyddion
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THIS YEAR!!!!!
The season doesn’t run over a callander year!!
Are we going to start bemoaning NML’s lack of fitness this season? Britt’s lack of effort? Betinelli’s howlers? Spence, Coulson, Johnson, Morsy, Wing, Saville, Fletcher, Akpom..
No because we can’t, because they are not playing for us this season!!!!!
How many things are folks gonna keep rolling this tosh out?
Simply red
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He has had the chance, it's his squad and he picks the team.
He let Morsy , Spence and Coulson go out, but realistically hasn't replaced them.
No back up for Bola was criminal.
He signed 2 average keepers, and 2 ageing defenders, which is not planning for the future, although Bamba has been decent considering his age .
He has 4 right footed wingers in Watmore, Hernandez, Jones and Olusaya, but insists on playing Tav right wing?
So consequently has to play a right footed winger on the left ?
Why not play Tav LW , as he IS left footed ?
That is bad planning , and with the left back issue , we have a gaping hole which is getting exploited at left back.
I like NW , but between him and his 2 assistants he is making mistake after mistake.
If it wasn't his swan song he would have been sacked, or resigned.
Jedi boro
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Ok let me put this another way it’s not about getting the boot it’s about not hanging on to a failing manager that is going to retire in the summer anyway.
so all those backing our boss HES GOONG SOON ANYWAY.
so I’d rather we did this on our terms and not be left high and dry in the summer.
so all those backing our boss HES GOONG SOON ANYWAY.
so I’d rather we did this on our terms and not be left high and dry in the summer.
JM14
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were currently 14th......, as I said the league means absolutely nothing at all at this stage anyway. Coventry are 4th, Huddersfield are 6th. Do you think this is representative?
newyddion
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He’s retiring in the summer so all the Doyle’s want rid of him now. Truth.
Jedi boro
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I want rid as he’s fecking clueless mate
JM14
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Ok then let’s just ignore the problems we had last season under the same manager which have continued into this season
So far we have two points against the teams we have played that are above us, slightly worrying? Especially when a few of them sides will likely finish in the bottom half, infact the only results we have had against a side that will likely finish top half are Sheffield united, and they are currently really struggling. Not good for a side that is aiming for a top 6 finish
Colin Warnek
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Yes he is indeed. But How would we be left high and dry when the summer is the best time to plan and re-adjust? Indeed it's the only good time to re-adjust.
There is such a thing as a new manager dip as well as a new manager bounce you know. Because then that new manager would 'need time' no doubt - much more time than people are giving Warnock on here.
Colin Warnek
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Fine with me, I'm ok with being 3 points behind them at this stage.