Jude Bellingham

His first goal on Saturday was a bit dodgy. VAR checked correctly for offside. He was onside. However the ball bounced off the top of his arm prior to him scoring.
 
Nero said:
Thing is Sancho looked brilliant in Germany. So much so the Germans thought England were crazy not to use him more in the last European Championships. Sancho shouldn't have gone to Man United.
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The Germans forget how bad their own league is, Dortmund and Bayern should top that as much as Rangers and Celtic top the scottish prem.

Sancho had to go to a side where he played every week, regardless of form. At Man U, they have so many options that when you go out of form you're screwed and can't even play yourself back into form, so the hole just gets deeper and deeper. Same thing happened with Van Der Beek, and many others.

Doing alright in Germany is fine, but the prem opposition is far better, as is the quality of the squads for the big teams.

Sancho should have went to a team expected to finish maybe 5th-10th, where they had little other options, and this is where he's going to end up, except with a few lost years of development.

Similar to the Spanish league two-horse race, or it should be every year for what those two spend. How anyone else there gets a look in is laughable.

Even if Bellingham came here I still think he could do with a couple of seasons for a team not in the CL, where his place would have zero threat. Foden's as good as both, if not better, and he barely starts the big games and only started maybe half the prem games for City last year. Didn't start semi or final of CL, didn't start FA Cup final. He's gonna start a lot more this year though, and he was incredible on Saturday.

The boys just need to play every week.
 
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Wouldn't write Sterling off yet in an England shirt. If he gets his form back and plays well for Chelsea, he can still contribute a lot for England. He must still only be late 20s.
Don't think Sancho will make it for England or United though. Another expensive mistake from United. Mount could be the next one. They should have bought Raphina from Leeds after his good season with them. They continually make bad decisions in the transfer market.
As for Bellingham, he's a star and will continue to be a key player for England. Lucky to have him.
 
Andy_W said:
Sancho had to go to a side where he played every week, regardless of form. At Man U, they have so many options that when you go out of form you're screwed and can't even play yourself back into form, so the hole just gets deeper and deeper. Same thing happened with Van Der Beek, and many others.
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Agree with this.

Not so much about the Premier League being so much better than the Bundesliga though.
 
Sheriff_John_Bunnell_ret said:
Imagine 2002 plus 2023 England

Seaman,
Neville,
Ferdinand,
Campbell
Cole
Rice
Bellingham
Foden
Grealish
Madison
Kane

That teams good enough to get to a world cup final or two. Losing on pens of course.
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If only Ferdinand was 25 now, we would be world champions, when people say our defence is good enough you just need to ask which CB is on the same level as Rio Ferdinand and which fullback is on the same level as prime Ashley Cole. It's chalk n cheese.
 
BoroMart said:
If only Ferdinand was 25 now, we would be world champions, when people say our defence is good enough you just need to ask which CB is on the same level as Rio Ferdinand and which fullback is on the same level as prime Ashley Cole. It's chalk n cheese.
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Ferdinand was the best of a fantastic generation of central defenders:

Terry
Campbell
Ledley King
Southgate

Woodgate would be in that list but for his injuries too. I've probably missed others too.
 
Nero said:
Ferdinand was the best of a fantastic generation of central defenders:

Terry
Campbell
Ledley King
Southgate

Woodgate would be in that list but for his injuries too. I've probably missed others too.
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Adams and Keown overlapped with those players and Ugo and Matt Upson could barely get a look in against those players. either with just a handful of caps. Both would be a shoe in to the current England squad.
 
Best thing he could’ve done was stay abroad. Look how Sancho has gone; career had stalled. Keep aware from the media and the added pressures that come with being Englands superstar.
 
Ben_Jamin said:
Best thing he could’ve done was stay abroad. Look how Sancho has gone; career had stalled. Keep aware from the media and the added pressures that come with being Englands superstar.
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I don't think there's less media scrutiny at Real Madrid.

There'll be far more.
 
Nero said:
Agree with this.

Not so much about the Premier League being so much better than the Bundesliga though.
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I think it is, purely because of the money in the prem. Dortmund are skint compared to the top 10 in the prem, which is why they're so good at picking out young talent (as they have to, to compete with Bayern). Even Bayern aren't exactly loaded mind. They don't get the same TV revenue and also don't rip the fans off (well played on that one).

The German league is probably 4th, behind Prem, Spain and Italy, in that order. People underestimate the Prem (and even the champo) as England don't do so well internationally, but this is because the league is so strong and flooded with foreign talent (more so than other leagues), so the promising top young players don't play as often as they should, it slows development down

These are the most expensive transfers of all time* in Germany, ~£260m total. Chelsea have spent ~£385m this year alone and they finished 12th last year.

5) Dayot Upemecano - Bayern Munich (£36.5m)
4) Julian Draxler - VfL Wolfsburg (£37m)
3) Leroy Sane - Bayern Munich (£51.6m)
2) Matthijs De Ligt - Bayern Munich (£68m)
1) Lucas Hernandez - Bayern Munich (£68.5m)

*before Kane
 
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Andy_W said:
I think it is, purely because of the money in the prem. Dortmund are skint compared to the top 10 in the prem, which is why they're so good at picking out young talent (as they have to, to compete with Bayern). Even Bayern aren't exactly loaded mind. They don't get the same TV revenue and also don't rip the fans off (well played on that one).

The German league is probably 4th, behind Prem, Spain and Italy, in that order. People underestimate the Prem (and even the champo) as England don't do so well internationally, but this is because the league is so strong and flooded with foreign talent (more so than other leagues), so the promising top young players don't play as often as they should, it slows development down

These are the most expensive transfers of all time in Germany, ~£260m total. Chelsea have spent ~£385m this year alone and they finished 12th last year.

5) Dayot Upemecano - Bayern Munich (£36.5m)
4) Julian Draxler - VfL Wolfsburg (£37m)
3) Leroy Sane - Bayern Munich (£51.6m)
2) Matthijs De Ligt - Bayern Munich (£68m)
1) Lucas Hernandez - Bayern Munich (£68.5m)
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All interesting points. I don’t disagree with any of that based on what you mention. Perhaps an argument can be made for La Logan being the best league. It must be most successful in European club competition.
 
Andy_W said:
I think it is, purely because of the money in the prem. Dortmund are skint compared to the top 10 in the prem, which is why they're so good at picking out young talent (as they have to, to compete with Bayern). Even Bayern aren't exactly loaded mind. They don't get the same TV revenue and also don't rip the fans off (well played on that one).

The German league is probably 4th, behind Prem, Spain and Italy, in that order. People underestimate the Prem (and even the champo) as England don't do so well internationally, but this is because the league is so strong and flooded with foreign talent (more so than other leagues), so the promising top young players don't play as often as they should, it slows development down

These are the most expensive transfers of all time in Germany, ~£260m total. Chelsea have spent ~£385m this year alone and they finished 12th last year.

5) Dayot Upemecano - Bayern Munich (£36.5m)
4) Julian Draxler - VfL Wolfsburg (£37m)
3) Leroy Sane - Bayern Munich (£51.6m)
2) Matthijs De Ligt - Bayern Munich (£68m)
1) Lucas Hernandez - Bayern Munich (£68.5m)
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Forgot the obvious, a certain Mr H Kane!
 
Andy_W said:
Sancho had to go to a side where he played every week, regardless of form. At Man U, they have so many options that when you go out of form you're screwed and can't even play yourself back into form, so the hole just gets deeper and deeper. Same thing happened with Van Der Beek, and many others.
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Andy_W said:
Sancho should have went to a team expected to finish maybe 5th-10th, where they had little other options, and this is where he's going to end up, except with a few lost years of development.
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So many young players would be wise to get their heads around this.

It is one million times better for your career and development to be Grealish at Villa, the main man, than unable to get on the City / United / Chelsea bench because if you don’t do it straightaway, they’ll buy a superstar straightaway to replace you.

These clubs are not in the business of developing talent, they need results to win trophies straightaway. That’s why Chelsea wasted Salah, KDB, young Lukaku.

I mean, Gabriel Jesus hardly played for City and he goes to Arsenal and looks like one of the best players in the league.

If I was 22 and hungry I’d be thinking Brighton, Villa, Palace, Brentford.
 
jonny_greenings_sock said:
So many young players would be wise to get their heads around this.

It is one million times better for your career and development to be Grealish at Villa, the main man, than unable to get on the City / United / Chelsea bench because if you don’t do it straightaway, they’ll buy a superstar straightaway to replace you.

These clubs are not in the business of developing talent, they need results to win trophies straightaway. That’s why Chelsea wasted Salah, KDB, young Lukaku.

I mean, Gabriel Jesus hardly played for City and he goes to Arsenal and looks like one of the best players in the league.

If I was 22 and hungry I’d be thinking Brighton, Villa, Palace, Brentford.
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Gabriel Jesus who played 236 games and scored 95 goals for Man City?
 
Andy_W said:
I think it is, purely because of the money in the prem. Dortmund are skint compared to the top 10 in the prem, which is why they're so good at picking out young talent (as they have to, to compete with Bayern). Even Bayern aren't exactly loaded mind. They don't get the same TV revenue and also don't rip the fans off (well played on that one).

The German league is probably 4th, behind Prem, Spain and Italy, in that order. People underestimate the Prem (and even the champo) as England don't do so well internationally, but this is because the league is so strong and flooded with foreign talent (more so than other leagues), so the promising top young players don't play as often as they should, it slows development down

These are the most expensive transfers of all time in Germany, ~£260m total. Chelsea have spent ~£385m this year alone and they finished 12th last year.

5) Dayot Upemecano - Bayern Munich (£36.5m)
4) Julian Draxler - VfL Wolfsburg (£37m)
3) Leroy Sane - Bayern Munich (£51.6m)
2) Matthijs De Ligt - Bayern Munich (£68m)
1) Lucas Hernandez - Bayern Munich (£68.5m)
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Bayern aren’t loaded? They are easily one of the wealthiest clubs in Europe and have a turnover similar to that of the top PL clubs, which makes it possible for them to spend 100m on Kane.
 
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