Joshua Usyk

Chappy112 said:
Bellew is more skilled than AJ.

Usyk is a genius though, absolutely unreal, I thought size would be too much for Usyk but he's rocked AJ multiple times and outboxed him as the much smaller man. Usyk is having a right go at surpassing Holyfield although I think that's maybe just out of reach.
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Yeah Bellew is, I meant the way that Usyk was able to use similar tactics to the Bellew fight even though he was fighting someone way more explosive.

He was able to stand right in the firing line and force AJ to throw and then hitting him with counters. Not many heavyweights could stand in range with Joshua for 12 rounds. His footwork, timing and the way he can change angles is brilliant.
 
I think Usyk is a much more technical boxer than Holyfield as well. Holyfield was a great athlete and tough as hell but he doesn't have Usyk's skills.
 
Uwefuchs said:
Yeah Bellew is, I meant the way that Usyk was able to use similar tactics to the Bellew fight even though he was fighting someone way more explosive.

He was able to stand right in the firing line and force AJ to throw and then hitting him with counters. Not many heavyweights could stand in range with Joshua for 12 rounds. His footwork, timing and the way he can change angles is brilliant.
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Yup for sure. I was laughing at Bellew just now, he was saying that AJ wouldn't throw punches in bunches, there's a reason he didn't and it's because Usyk's counter punching is ridiculous. The more openings you give him the more he's going to tag you and he proved early on that he could hurt AJ which I didn't think was possible before the fight.

It's like the people who think that the Klitschko who fought AJ at 41 years old was miraculously better than the one that fought Fury and suddenly decided to throw punches, there's reasons for these things happening and it isn't always just because he chose to or chose not to.
 
Ex pfc wintergreen said:
Well done mate hope you had a few quid on it,I never called it but I'm not surprised at the result. People on here slagging me (and others) off for pointing out Joshua is not a good boxer, he's in the top three (behind fury who is top) because of his power and size but when he faces a man who doesn't stand in front of him and moves around he doesn't have the ring IQ to switch his game. I think he could beat wilder if he doesn't get caught but can't see him beating fury.
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Fury at his best is a cut above the rest. He’s a rare heavyweight that can fight going forwards or backwards, inside or outside and orthodox or southpaw. Incredible ability to adjust mid fight too. He has many ways he can win.

Usyk is an elite fighter too.

Joshua is good but he’s not a natural boxer, never has been. He lacks the true fluidity that you see in the likes of Fury and Usyk, the way they use positioning and their ring IQ. It’s probably because he got into boxing late. The others have been doing it since they were little kids.

That’s why I said the other day I don’t really see how AJ beats Usyk. He only ever had a punchers chance in my eyes and it’s very very rare that fighters with such high ring IQ lose to a punchers chance.
 
Chappy112 said:
Yup for sure. I was laughing at Bellew just now, he was saying that AJ wouldn't throw punches in bunches, there's a reason he didn't and it's because Usyk's counter punching is ridiculous. The more openings you give him the more he's going to tag you and he proved early on that he could hurt AJ which I didn't think was possible before the fight.

It's like the people who think that the Klitschko who fought AJ at 41 years old was miraculously better than the one that fought Fury and suddenly decided to throw punches, there's reasons for these things happening and it isn't always just because he chose to or chose not to.
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Yeah totally right, I've said the same about Fury for years as well.

People think he's feather fisted and thought that AJ would walk through Fury, there's a reason people don't walk through Fury. He might not punch like Wilder but he hits hard enough to keep you very cautious.
 
I think Fury beats Usyk reasonably comfortably. Joshua didn't know how to use his size advantage tonight and it cost him as he doesn't have the boxing skills to match Usyk. Fury has a ring IQ as good as Usyk and a massive size advantage.
 
sherlock1969 said:
I think Fury beats Usyk reasonably comfortably. Joshua didn't know how to use his size advantage tonight and it cost him as he doesn't have the boxing skills to match Usyk. Fury has a ring IQ as good as Usyk and a massive size advantage.
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I rate Fury more than Joshua but im just not sure. It’d be an interesting fight for sure. Fury is more unpredictable and would make life harder for Usyk but he wouldn’t have an easy night.

Usyk has proven he’s the real deal though. He didn’t have to beat Joshua up at the end of the 12th, he just did it because he could. Amazing.
 
Chisel said:
Personally I'd have Holyfield beat Usyk hands down.
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I wouldn't argue with you Holyfield was brilliant and styles make fights. I was just saying that he doesn't have the technical skills of Usyk, that doesn't mean Usyk would have beaten him.
 
Uwefuchs said:
Watching that tonight confirmed to me what I've always thought about AJ v Fury. Fury is on another level and if he's on the top of his game he beats Joshua comfortably
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Fully agree, vs all other heavyweights Fury is a nightmare and has a bigger arsenal than AJ, Usyk and Wilder etc
 
Alzi said:
I rate Fury more than Joshua but im just not sure. It’d be an interesting fight for sure. Fury is more unpredictable and would make life harder for Usyk for sure.

Usyk has proven he’s the real deal though. He didn’t have to beat Joshua up at the end of the 12th, he just did it because he could. Amazing.
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Usyk has said Fury is a difficult fight for him, he knows

It would be fascinating but Fury is out on his own when he’s on his game. It might be only after he retires of people start realising he actually is a special fighter when he’s on his game.
 
Alzi said:
I rate Fury more than Joshua but im just not sure. It’d be an interesting fight for sure. Fury is more unpredictable and would make life harder for Usyk but he wouldn’t have an easy night.

Usyk has proven he’s the real deal though. He didn’t have to beat Joshua up at the end of the 12th, he just did it because he could. Amazing.
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Oh I agree, pound for pound he's as good as Fury, but I just think Fury's size and style would prove too much.
 
sherlock1969 said:
Oh I agree, pound for pound he's as good as Fury, but I just think Fury's size and style would prove too much.
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P4P I think Usyk has just jumped straight to the top of the list. It's enough to go from one weight class to another but cruiserweight to heavyweight is a ridiculous jump, you're fighting men 40-60lbs heavier than you're used to fighting.
 
Fury will tie up Usyk, lean on him, use all the tricks. Fantastic win by Usyk but Fury should win without much fuss
 
Agree with people saying Fury is a step too far for Usyk, it's hard enough fighting someone who is 40lbs heavier and a 4 inch reach advantage but fighting someone 60-70lbs heavier, 6 inches taller, an 11 inch reach advantage and someone who is very skilled and can move brilliantly. It's almost the impossible task but hey, I want to see it.
 
Pretty much as expected, although Usyk is still growing into the division and has plenty of scope. Joshua did reasonably well but Usyk is far too complex for him. Joshua did manage to adjust after the first few rounds, but Usyk readjusted at about round 7 and Joshua had no answer.

Usyk actually gets it done even easier against Fury, but I'd be surprised if Fury would be willing to go anywhere near him. He's probably too smart for that. Fury's footwork would be completely taken away from him by Usyk. Fury isn't an explosive puncher, nor is he a combination puncher. That gives Usyk pretty much free reign to control things. It's important not to get confused, don't think Usyk v Fury would be a jabbing contest in centre ring. Usyk beats him in every department.
 
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