Johnson is a known liar thread - in your mind ignore this thread if you wish

But, of course, our comrade from Spain is only trying to divert toxic comments away from other threads.🤔

How very thoughtful.
 
Spanish how about your post saying it would most likely kill brexiteers or northern Tory voters. Would you post that now 1000s have died?
 
Cooper671 said:
Spanish how about your post saying it would most likely kill brexiteers or northern Tory voters. Would you post that now 1000s have died?
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If it was his view I’m pretty sure he would post it.
It will kill some brexiteers and Tory voters by the way.
It would turn into a cracking conspiracy if not.
 
FatCat said:
Pathetic poster - he’s getting worrse by the day!
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To be fair to Spanishman, and I like him as a poster, he was trying to seperate the two corners of the argument Poor Boris v I don't care about Boris. He did this for the right reasons. I don't actually agree, but can see the sense in it.

To RandySavage I would say we are living in grim times, you would expect any public forum to reflect the world around us. If England win the next major tournament that will be reflected here, if the pandemic goes on month after month you would also expect atht reflected here. It is a microcosm of the world we live in.
 
coluka said:
A man, our PM is fighting for his life, surely people can stfu for 5 minutes and hope he pulls through. If people can't do so, then perhaps that says more of them.

Lets have some perspective and show some humanity please
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People don’t die from Covid-19 because of a lack of fight, whatever that means. The burden of healing is not on the patient it's on NHS staff and the tools available to them. The idea that illness is a character test, with recovery as a reward for the valiant PM to emerge as some heroic figure seems to me something devised by his propaganda team
 
kuepper said:
People don’t die from Covid-19 because of a lack of fight, whatever that means. The burden of healing is not on the patient it's on NHS staff and the tools available to them. The idea that illness is a character test, with recovery as a reward for the valiant PM to emerge as some heroic figure seems to me something devised by his propaganda team
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Really don’t understand why you have quoted my post to write your comments Kuepper :unsure:

Firstly I am no Johnson fan. My post was about not having a pop at someone who at the time of writing was in a fight for life. It equally applies to anyone in a similar position in any walk of life. Really don’t understand your propaganda team comment in relation to my post either. That is the stuff for the conspiracy merchants. He just won an election, I doubt we will see another anytime soon.

That said, I have to disagree with Some of what you wrote on a general level. The burden of healing is very much on the individual too, their personal body make up and ability and will to fight the virus. The doctors and nurses try to help the patient with oxygen or ventilation, thats all they really have. A few are maybe trying out drugs as an experiment, but the science is poor at present. Where had I said or implied it was a character test? However, now you mention it, I have no doubt a persons inner strength and mind is playing some part, to some degree, in whether some people recover and some do not. Linda Lusardi said on national tv that she at one point felt like giving in to the virus, but used the desire to see her children to give her some inner strength to keep on fighting.
 
Col - ‘the ability to fight’ theory has largely being debunked.
The implication that those who died had less fight than the likes of Johnson and others is a discussion you ought to have withe the relatives of those that died.
 
Laughing said:
To be fair to Spanishman, and I like him as a poster, he was trying to seperate the two corners of the argument Poor Boris v I don't care about Boris. He did this for the right reasons. I don't actually agree, but can see the sense in it.

To RandySavage I would say we are living in grim times, you would expect any public forum to reflect the world around us. If England win the next major tournament that will be reflected here, if the pandemic goes on month after month you would also expect atht reflected here. It is a microcosm of the world we live in.
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To be fair he was doing it for attention....
 
1finny said:
Col - ‘the ability to fight’ theory has largely being debunked.
The implication that those who died had less fight than the likes of Johnson and others is a discussion you ought to have withe the relatives of those that died.
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1finny, yet there are people out there who speak about their personal suffering and their determination to come through this vile illness and have done so, perhaps you should talk to them. We are all different, no two people the same. Our lifestyles, DNA, luck all play a part, however, having listened to a few people who have experienced this illness some have inner strengths and will that support the fight In some way, they say so themselves. You talk as if i suggest if we want to survive we will, well clearly that is nonsense, i am sure most wanted to. All i am saying is it is in the mix, those with more serious underlying health issues or who are older the odds are stacked against us clearly. One thing I never do is underestimate the power of our own willpower and inner strength. By all means though be dismissive.
 
1finny said:
Col - ‘the ability to fight’ theory has largely being debunked.
The implication that those who died had less fight than the likes of Johnson and others is a discussion you ought to have withe the relatives of those that died.
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I presume when you see a story or know someone fighting cancer and people say that person is a fighter you turn round and say... well actually that you mention it
 
Cooper671 said:
I presume when you see a story or know someone fighting cancer and people say that person is a fighter you turn round and say... well actually that you mention it
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When my brother died of cancer at 44 the one thing I never said was - he died because he didn't fight. I never said it about my mother in law, father in law who both died in their 50's. either.
Feel free to go around to others who have lost loved ones to cancer and say 'shame they didn't fight a bit harder they'd still be here now'

Col - one of my best mates was on a ventilator for 3 days. He mentioned nothing about fighting - just the great care he received.
As for being dismissive? - If you want to stoop low, your call.
 
Why would I do that? I am not the one arguing the toss about whether there is such a thing as a inner fight that’s you saying there isn’t.

So as I said when you next see someone saying they are a fighter or someone states they fought a disease and won maybe you can correct them.
 
I do exactly that.
And, when people refer to others as saying they know someone 'fighting' the disease I correct them too
I prefer to focus on the medical help they have had.
 
Surely the Tory media machine can't be overplaying his illness to give him free pass in the years ahead?

I hope not but it would be really convenient and a "quick win" in terms of making Johnson beyond reproach?
 
ST
This is a party that invented a story that an aid of Honcooccks was attacked by Labour activists whilst visiting a Leeds hospital. Remember - it took that poor kid who was laying on the floor of St James off the front page

The same party doctored a clip of Starmer being interviewed on the news to fit their narrative.
Cummins is on record as saying Tories hate the NHS

Anything is possible, I'm afraid
 
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