Johnson is a known liar thread - in your mind ignore this thread if you wish

Don’t forget them tin foil hats lads!
Christ... didn’t you admit the other night after stating it might be a conspiracy that he had the disease you no longer believed it. But now he hasn’t actually died it could be a conspiracy again.

You need to get off the internet for abit
 
Yes, I correctly stated it might be a conspiracy that he had the virus
I then correctly stated that he probably has it
I’ve also correctly stated that he may be being kept in so people don’t focus on the large numbers of people who are dying
 
1finny said:
Yes, I correctly stated it might be a conspiracy that he had the virus
I then correctly stated that he probably has it
I’ve also correctly stated that he may be being kept in so people don’t focus on the large numbers of people who are dying
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You can’t correctly state both if you now admit he has it. You mean “I incorrectly stated it might be a conspiracy as I now accept he probably has it” reads better.

And you now you believe the doctors and nurses in St Thomas Hospital are complicit in him taking up a much needed bed unless Johnson has magically come up with a way of his body displaying symptoms to keep him there and trick the medical staff?
 
No, no, no Cooper - you couldn't have interpreted that more wrong if you tried
Oh - you did try
Read, what I said, not what is in your head

All statements are consistent
 
Laughing said:
To be fair to Spanishman, and I like him as a poster, he was trying to seperate the two corners of the argument Poor Boris v I don't care about Boris. He did this for the right reasons. I don't actually agree, but can see the sense in it.

To RandySavage I would say we are living in grim times, you would expect any public forum to reflect the world around us. If England win the next major tournament that will be reflected here, if the pandemic goes on month after month you would also expect atht reflected here. It is a microcosm of the world we live in.
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I have been making a point of trying to spend some time away from this board at this difficult time for all of us.

I was very disappointed that a thread about Johnson (perhaps?) being ill was being used by people to vent their anger at the Tory government of the last 10 years.

If it was a con (as I considered at first it could be until he went into the ICU), I would have thought that someone with a conscience working in the NHS would have leaked it by now.

I felt that on that thread people should just wish Johnson a recovery and walk away. As the decent thing to do.

As I have said in various places I would not wish anyone to catch the virus or die from it. However that does not mean that I would clap Johnson. Or enjoy the Tory propaganda machine using the situation for political gain. As they are doing now.

Maybe I was right to create this thread. Maybe I was wrong. I just felt it was the best thing to do. To divert attention from the other thread(s).
 
1finny said:
When my brother died of cancer at 44 the one thing I never said was - he died because he didn't fight. I never said it about my mother in law, father in law who both died in their 50's. either.
Feel free to go around to others who have lost loved ones to cancer and say 'shame they didn't fight a bit harder they'd still be here now

Col - one of my best mates was on a ventilator for 3 days. He mentioned nothing about fighting - just the great care he received.
As for being dismissive? - If you want to stoop low, your call.
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WOW :whistle:

Firstly, you seem to have taken what I have said extremely personally. I am sorry for yours and frankly anyones loss. Sadly, It is an unfortunate part of life that we all have to deal with at some point and it sucks, I know only too well myself. I hope your mate is doing well.

Where has the ‘stooping low’ comment come from? You have dismissed my view that we all have will power we all have degrees of fight we all have inner strengths that vary. I most certainly was not attempting to be stooping low as you claimed!!! I believe, as do many people, that mind over matter has its place in all areas of life, including how we cope when illness strikes and a belief that it can be a positive help, i accept that sometimes no matter how strong the desire to come through is, that sometimes a disease will always win too. However, I have seen it in real life and heard people say it, I have literally heard a doctor say it when all medical knowledge pointed to the worst outcome, even those suffering coronavirus have said it on tv. If people believe it to be true having witnessed it first hand who is anyone to think it can not play some part in a battle against illness. It may only be 1% but it can play its part for some in my view, you appear to think differently, which is fine.

I am not trying to suggest that people who die didn’t fight for survival or want to get better, I have never said or even implied that. Your “shame they didn’t fight a bit harder they’d still be here now“ comment comes across as an attempt at stooping low mind and frankly is beneath you! I am really surprised that you interpreted my comments and applied them as you have. As i said, we are all different and I guess therefore react to things differently though. I am certainly not wanting to offend you.
 
Col - lets put this to rest. We've both raised points which we understand but disagree with.
I'm glad there was no intent to offend - equally so from me to you.
We should leave it at that and try and enjoy ourselves.
All the best.
 
I am starting to think Johnson current recover rate is too clean. It seems as if its the perfect improvement which gives hope for a full recovery whilst still remaining plausible. Make you think doesn't it?

Especially with the amount of form this government has for lying to, manipulating and using the media...
 
SmallTown said:
I am starting to think Johnson current recover rate is too clean. It seems as if its the perfect improvement which gives hope for a full recovery whilst still remaining plausible. Make you think doesn't it?

Especially with the amount of form this government has for lying to, manipulating and using the media...
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I would have thought that someone from the NHS would have leaked something by now. If it had been a con.
 
spanishman said:
I would have thought that someone from the NHS would have leaked something by now. If it had been a con.
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Maybe, you don’t know how it’s being suppressed though. We are dealing with the least trustworthy government we’ve ever had. I sincerely hope it isn’t but you wouldn’t put it past them, given how much it’ll strengthen his position. It’s certainly something someone like Cummings would have considered.
 
SmallTown said:
Maybe, you don’t know how it’s being suppressed though. We are dealing with the least trustworthy government we’ve ever had. I sincerely hope it isn’t but you wouldn’t put it past them, given how much it’ll strengthen his position. It’s certainly something someone like Cummings would have considered.
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I just hope it is not true.
 
SmallTown said:
Maybe, you don’t know how it’s being suppressed though. We are dealing with the least trustworthy government we’ve ever had. I sincerely hope it isn’t but you wouldn’t put it past them, given how much it’ll strengthen his position. It’s certainly something someone like Cummings would have considered.
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Give over SmallTown, I have a lot of respect to you as a poster, yes you are blinkered at times in your political beliefs but you are way, way off the mark here, how can you even think about that, let alone post ut
Shame really
 
Erimus74 said:
Give over SmallTown, I have a lot of respect to you as a poster, yes you are blinkered at times in your political beliefs but you are way, way off the mark here, how can you even think about that, let alone post ut
Shame really
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You say that, I’ve just got off the phone to someone who knows a senior NHS consultant. It’s helped vindicate my thoughts. Johnson has been ill, that isn’t in dispute. The level of illness? Hmmm. All very interesting. Like Spanishman I would have hoped it wasn’t true but his illness has certainly been, whatever the opposite of downplayed is.

That’s really sad to hear. Not surprising but sad.
 
SmallTown said:
You say that, I’ve just got off the phone to someone who knows a senior NHS consultant. It’s helped vindicate my thoughts. Johnson has been ill, that isn’t in dispute. The level of illness? Hmmm. All very interesting. Like Spanishman I would have hoped it wasn’t true but his illness has certainly been, whatever the opposite of downplayed is.

That’s really sad to hear. Not surprising but sad.
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My ‘doctor’ friends (all true blue by the way) have also commented on the need for his prolonged hospitalisation.
The problem is - you lie so much, when you want to be trusted it is really a challenge
 
SmallTown said:
You say that, I’ve just got off the phone to someone who knows a senior NHS consultant. It’s helped vindicate my thoughts. Johnson has been ill, that isn’t in dispute. The level of illness? Hmmm. All very interesting. Like Spanishman I would have hoped it wasn’t true but his illness has certainly been, whatever the opposite of downplayed is.

That’s really sad to hear. Not surprising but sad.
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I actually think (surprisingly) he’s not getting much from it politically other than the usual plaudits from certain sections of the media which he would be getting anyway as a Tory PM whether he was ill or in perfect health.
The lockdown strategy, or lack of, is taking centre stage and the economic protests are getting louder and louder. It’s almost like this Tory mantra that ‘we can’t manage without him‘ is becoming irrelevant to bigger issues and the question of what happens next. Things quickly move on in this world.
 
1finny said:
My ‘doctor’ friends (all true blue by the way) have also commented on the need for his prolonged hospitalisation.
The problem is - you lie so much, when you want to be trusted it is really a challenge
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Exactly. The government are just so untrrustworthy you wonder what they are capable off.

The more I hear about Johnson's "ICU" stay, the more skeptical I get.
 
SmallTown said:
Surely the Tory media machine can't be overplaying his illness to give him free pass in the years ahead?

I hope not but it would be really convenient and a "quick win" in terms of making Johnson beyond reproach?
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It's a hell of a coincidence that he ends up in hospital when the lockdown review is due and the daily death rate is going up.

And now he's out of intensive care after what 3 and a bit days?
 
As someone said either here on this thread and/or elsewhere it is the boy who cried wolf. With his lying.
 
Well I would rather believe that he was as bad as made out & happy that he's on the recivery, I wouldnt dream of thinking its to gain anything, whoever thinks otherwise that there opinion
 
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