JK Rowling in hot water again

Rowling has become a hate figure of the wolf pack that seeks to remove the right of anybody to express an opinion contrary to their own. She doesn’t say anything that breeches the rights of people with protected characteristics and if you took time to actually read what she says rather than the skewed view of the mob she is an advocate for the LGBTQ community in the country. I despise the rise of cancel culture where a career can be destroyed by faceless nobody’s and their keyboard. In Rowling however they have found somebody too powerful to cancel so she is constantly attacked. If you feel she is obsessed with trans issues, you clearly don’t read her social media posts but react to the lynch mobs interpretation. Her views are on a persons undeniable anatomical sex as opposed to their chosen gender. She has strong advocates in the likes of Prof Robert Whinston for her views which I choose to agree with. It doesn’t make me a facist or a gay hater, like Rowling I argue fiercely for a fairer society but any society that bows down to a lynch mob needs to take a good look at itself.
 
Duffman said:
Rowling has become a hate figure of the wolf pack that seeks to remove the right of anybody to express an opinion contrary to their own. She doesn’t say anything that breeches the rights of people with protected characteristics and if you took time to actually read what she says rather than the skewed view of the mob she is an advocate for the LGBTQ community in the country. I despise the rise of cancel culture where a career can be destroyed by faceless nobody’s and their keyboard. In Rowling however they have found somebody too powerful to cancel so she is constantly attacked. If you feel she is obsessed with trans issues, you clearly don’t read her social media posts but react to the lynch mobs interpretation. Her views are on a persons undeniable anatomical sex as opposed to their chosen gender. She has strong advocates in the likes of Prof Robert Whinston for her views which I choose to agree with. It doesn’t make me a facist or a gay hater, like Rowling I argue fiercely for a fairer society but any society that bows down to a lynch mob needs to take a good look at itself.
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My point has nothing to do with her right to tweet what she wants or any kind of cancel culture.

I just find it strange that she advocates against a problem that is so tiny it barely matters. There are thousands of rapes (recorded as male offenders) that the odd one or two recorded as female offenders won't skew anything in the way she claims.

In addition the number of possible trans sex offenders in the Uk is so small all of the crimes wouldn't skew the figures. The bigger issue with any kind of sex offending is the tiny number of rapes that are prosecuted.

I don't quite understand why she puts herself under the spotlight on a non-issue.
 
Duffman said:
Rowling has become a hate figure of the wolf pack that seeks to remove the right of anybody to express an opinion contrary to their own. She doesn’t say anything that breeches the rights of people with protected characteristics and if you took time to actually read what she says rather than the skewed view of the mob she is an advocate for the LGBTQ community in the country. I despise the rise of cancel culture where a career can be destroyed by faceless nobody’s and their keyboard. In Rowling however they have found somebody too powerful to cancel so she is constantly attacked. If you feel she is obsessed with trans issues, you clearly don’t read her social media posts but react to the lynch mobs interpretation. Her views are on a persons undeniable anatomical sex as opposed to their chosen gender. She has strong advocates in the likes of Prof Robert Whinston for her views which I choose to agree with. It doesn’t make me a facist or a gay hater, like Rowling I argue fiercely for a fairer society but any society that bows down to a lynch mob needs to take a good look at itself.
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Oh please.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1470092815506063365

Here's the tweet in question. There's nothing noble or nuanced about it. It's just the inane ramblings of a billionaire who's shifted to the right as she got older and while societys gone the other way.
 
Yep, must admit, was not expecting THAT tweet!

Joins the ever-growing list of "celebrities" clutching for any sort of recognition. I've not read her books but one would think she could invent a more credible or engaging message.
 
MolteniArcore said:
My point has nothing to do with her right to tweet what she wants or any kind of cancel culture.

I just find it strange that she advocates against a problem that is so tiny it barely matters. There are thousands of rapes (recorded as male offenders) that the odd one or two recorded as female offenders won't skew anything in the way she claims.

In addition the number of possible trans sex offenders in the Uk is so small all of the crimes wouldn't skew the figures. The bigger issue with any kind of sex offending is the tiny number of rapes that are prosecuted.

I don't quite understand why she puts herself under the spotlight on a non-issue.
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I think those raped in such circumstances would not describe it as a problem so tiny it barely matters.
 
SuperStu said:
Oh please.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1470092815506063365

Here's the tweet in question. There's nothing noble or nuanced about it. It's just the inane ramblings of a billionaire who's shifted to the right as she got older and while societys gone the other way.
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exactly, she is being inflammatory, for the sake of it. It's an arrogance, that yes there are some truths to her stance, but this is really about proving something to the world about her position and not backing down, not being intellectually honest, it's being disagreeable, argumentative and creating conflict. She could easily package her views in a less conflicting way, but she chooses not to.

It's a real shame because for a while she seemed a good role model, a successful woman who fought the odds, became a millionaire and then gave lots of it away. She seems to have alienated herself from many of those people she has worked with in the past too. I believe most of those potter actors have very little to do with her anymore by choice.

I feel there might be an element of Paradise Syndrome going on, where a successful person actually sabotages their own life because they don't feel worthy of the success.
 
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am I missing something here?

if someone has committed rape, who gives a flying fook how they identify themselves gender wise?

This anti trans rhetoric is distracting from the very real issue of the number of increasing sexual offences taking place in this country. I am only surprised some folks with an anti trans agenda haven't already tried to link sexual offences with being trans.

This whole sorry affair is shameful from start to finish in all aspects. WTF is wrong with people?
 
Duffman said:
I think those raped in such circumstances would not describe it as a problem so tiny it barely matters.
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I don't think that's particularly fair. You know that's not MAs point.

I think for victims of rape in such circumstances, the fact they've been raped at all is probably the traumatising part. Why would it make much of a difference what the abusers gender identity is?
 
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BoroBosco said:
The first three lines are the ramblings of George Orwell
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And? It doesn't make her position any more nuanced or noble as I said.

She's essentially the equivalent of when Nick Griffin went on Question Time years ago just to say he thought gay men were a bit yucky. Have whatever opinions you like obviously but I'm just saying nobody has to respect them, regardless of which dead author you drag in to it.
 
BoroBosco said:
Oh please.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1470092815506063365

Here's the tweet in question. There's nothing noble or nuanced about it. It's just the inane ramblings of a billionaire who's shifted to the right as she got older and while societys gone the other way.
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The first three lines are the ramblings of George Orwell.
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They are, but taken massively out of context - they're not really a direct quote attributed to him, rather a description of a crypto-fascist state he invented for the purposes of his novel 1984.
 
Duffman said:
Rowling has become a hate figure of the wolf pack that seeks to remove the right of anybody to express an opinion contrary to their own. She doesn’t say anything that breeches the rights of people with protected characteristics and if you took time to actually read what she says rather than the skewed view of the mob she is an advocate for the LGBTQ community in the country. I despise the rise of cancel culture where a career can be destroyed by faceless nobody’s and their keyboard. In Rowling however they have found somebody too powerful to cancel so she is constantly attacked. If you feel she is obsessed with trans issues, you clearly don’t read her social media posts but react to the lynch mobs interpretation. Her views are on a persons undeniable anatomical sex as opposed to their chosen gender. She has strong advocates in the likes of Prof Robert Whinston for her views which I choose to agree with. It doesn’t make me a facist or a gay hater, like Rowling I argue fiercely for a fairer society but any society that bows down to a lynch mob needs to take a good look at itself.
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Well said.
 
I've mentioned this previously but women are understandably very concerned and feel unsafe at the minute. They feel very vulnerable with hundreds killed every single year.

On the other side you also have an incredibly vulnerable group of people who feel targeted.

This argument doesn't stand up to logical debate as easily as other topics and both sides have genuine concern. The verocity of the dialogue is definitely intense so I could understand why people may feel as though there is spite within, but I think it's actually quite a complex picture.
 
SuperStu said:
And? It doesn't make her position any more nuanced or noble as I said.

She's essentially the equivalent of when Nick Griffin went on Question Time years ago just to say he thought gay men were a bit yucky. Have whatever opinions you like obviously but I'm just saying nobody has to respect them, regardless of which dead author you drag in to it.
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Not to be pedantic but I believe he said “creepy” not “yucky”, not that it matters which he said.

But “yucky” came from your brain! You’re cancelled.
 
BoroMart said:
exactly, she is being inflammatory, for the sake of it. It's an arrogance, that yes there are some truths to her stance, but this is really about proving something to the world about her position and not backing down, not being intellectually honest, it's being disagreeable, argumentative and creating conflict. She could easily package her views in a less conflicting way, but she chooses not to.

It's a real shame because for a while she seemed a good role model, a successful woman who fought the odds, became a millionaire and then gave lots of it away. She seems to have alienated herself from many of those people she has worked with in the past too. I believe most of those potter actors have very little to do with her anymore by choice.

I feel there might be an element of Paradise Syndrome going on, where a successful person actually sabotages their own life because they don't feel worthy of the success.
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Unfortunately this is what social media - and therefore media - is now: Lots of people who set out with a position with good intentions and then get dragged into just forever doubling down on that position forever more, rather than just saying 'you know what, I hadn't thought of it like that'. Owen Jones and Bastani on the left, and Julie Hartley B and Tim Montgomery on the right all monetise it.

I don't see anything particularly wrong with Rowlings overall position, I just don't know why she has to constantly rattle the cage of such a vocal minority who are also just trying to carve out a safe place for themselves. Tweeting on your smartphone or laptop while sitting at home in a comfy chair while reading through the daily headlines is now seen as militant activism.

Everyone needs to take some time off.
 
SuperStu said:
But it's not a defence? What are you supposing happens after the police write up in their report that the rapist is a trans woman?
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This tweet was in response to Police Scotland decision to allow men accused of rape to self identify as female. Since, under Scottish law (English too) women can not commit rape, then there's a problem coming over the horizon. Simple as that.
 
Soutra said:
This tweet was in response to Police Scotland decision to allow men accused of rape to self identify as female. Since, under Scottish law (English too) women can not commit rape, then there's a problem coming over the horizon. Simple as that.
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As it's simple can you tell us what the problem is?
 
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