Its not a derby.

Otto42 said:
It’s a derby to us, but local rivalry to them. Seems fair enough to me. As I’ve said before, similar to how the Sheffield clubs view Barnsley and Rotherham and Manchester with Bolton, Oldham etc….Leeds have a similar rivalry with Man Utd and West Ham with Tottenham. No big deal tbf!
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it's a north-east derby, the sky generation can try and rebrand it as a 'rivalry', but football has been around a lot longer than sky and it's always been a derby
 
r00fie1 said:
Trouble is:
yous two are never in the same league in any one season, so divvent worry Pet.
We wont be either next season - so you`l probably be calling Hull City a "derby".
See ya marra (y)
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Divvent worry roofie pet, you will always be my pet Burra fan, even if you were champions of Europe we were in the Premier league and they were in league 2 it would still be THE Derby and Burra would still be the mini Derby that’s just the way it is petlamb
 
Hoolio said:
Divvent worry roofie pet, you will always be my pet Burra fan, even if you were champions of Europe we were in the Premier league and they were in league 2 it would still be THE Derby and Burra would still be the mini Derby that’s just the way it is petlamb
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All we care about is ya inna peace marra.
Al never forgive them what closed Crowtree Leisure Centre.
On a Satda morning on missionary work from Shields a used to love it me lyke. (y)
 
Who cares what the Sunderland and Newcastle fans think? Let them have their little derby that nobody outside of those two cities gives a toss about.
At least the likes of
Man Utd v Liverpool
Celtic v Rangers
Arsenal v Spurs
Real v Atletico Madrid
AC v Inter

All proper derbies people from all over the world watch.
 
I can't deny it, it does irritate me that they go out of their way to try and play down the rivalry. I know I shouldn't let it irritate me, because in many ways I'm playing into their hands but I can't help it.

I'd never realised that Sunderland fans not regarding it as a derby was even a thing until I first discovered the RTG forum back in 2013. We were struggling under Mowbray at the time and they regularly had threads on there where they'd belittle us, and say that Boro have never been a derby game to them.

Maybe in some ways, this highlights why some of them don't see it as a derby, because I haven't actually met many Sunderland fans throughout my lifetime. Maybe some of their fans not seeing it as a derby has always been a thing, but I'd just never realised it because I've never really known any Sunderland fans.

I get the feeling though that it stems from that period when Sunderland and Newcastle were both in the Premier League and we were in the Championship. The Sunderland/Newcastle rivalry intensified further, and we became the forgotten cousins up the road, who they looked down upon.

Sunderland had a big thread about us on their board over the weekend. Most of them were saying they were pleased for us and wanted us to go up, and of course one said that this highlights why it isn't a derby game, because if it was Newcastle they'd be desperate to see them fail. I couldn't help but feel it was easy for them to have this attitude though. If they looked a good bet for promotion and we didn't many of them would be mocking us.
 
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our record before the 13 years without a game against them was poor up there anyhow I can only remember Wilkinson's goal and Boksic's two in all my time supporting the Boro
 
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parmoboy said:
I can't deny it, it does irritate me that they go out of their way to try and play down the rivalry. I know I shouldn't let it irritate me, because in many ways I'm playing into their hands but I can't help it.
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If they really didn't care mate they wouldn't state that they don't care so often. The lady doth protesteth too much. Their fans have always seen it as a derby, in laws were makem fans and never denied it. It's only the last 15 years where the sky generation has pumped up the tyne-wear derby constantly to 1000% that anyone started to claim we weren't a derby.
 
Randy said:
Who cares what the Sunderland and Newcastle fans think? Let them have their little derby that nobody outside of those two cities gives a toss about.
At least the likes of
Man Utd v Liverpool
Celtic v Rangers
Arsenal v Spurs
Real v Atletico Madrid
AC v Inter

All proper derbies people from all over the world watch.
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Man Utd vs Liverpool isn't a derby. Rivalry, obviously, but not a derby. You need to be in the same city.
 
JackG said:
Correct
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It's a colloquial term, which means there is no agreed dictionary definition. It means what you want it to mean, thus different people will have different and correct interpretations. Personally I see it as relatively local geographically, with some shared local cultural elements. So we the skunks and TGI waiters are all provincial north-eastern areas, with shared heavy industry backgrounds, embedded working class culture, shared TV and print media, and a major rail and roads linking us within an hour.

You can drive from the Riverside to Sid James faster than from Selhurst Park to West Ham Stadium. Train from Middlesbrough to Newcastle is faster than from Arsenal to West Ham. You can drive to Sunderland quicker than drive/train from Millwall to Crystal Palace.
 
Really a derby is the likes of Man United v Man City, or Rangers v Celtic. Both in the same city.
 
Its 28 miles from blackwell meadows to the suits direct stadium again 'local' rivalry as opposed to a derby and i dont think these two have played each other since 2007!

Its 40 miles from Blundell Park to Sincil Bank and those two hate each other
 
GazBoro said:
and their only claim to fame was being a turd that wouldn't flush from the premiership for a few seasons,
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I do find it interesting how we both had ~10 year stints in the Premier League and yet the quality of players we were able to attract compared to theirs was insane. Juninho, Boksic, Viduka, Haslebaink, Boateng, Yakubu, Southgate, Ehiogu, Downing, Schwarzer, Woodgate, Tuncay, Ince, Mendieta.... 😵‍💫 And the mackems list is what? Kenwyne Jones?
 
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They've claimed it's not a derby over the last 10/15 years because of the amount of times we've spanked them silly.

They clearly know it's a derby but hate the fact we've pasted them so much.
 
Some on RTG claim that it means nothing to them because we're not even in the same county. Yeez are a little club in Yorkshire they claim, in a way that laughingly suggests that being Yorkshire is somehow inferior to being in Tyne and Wear... I know.
However, using that same metric on themselves would mean that Newcastle v Sunderland has only been relevant since 1974 when The Black Cats (were they called that then) were kicked out of Durham.
 
Randy said:
Who cares what the Sunderland and Newcastle fans think? Let them have their little derby that nobody outside of those two cities gives a toss about.
At least the likes of
Man Utd v Liverpool
Celtic v Rangers
Arsenal v Spurs
Real v Atletico Madrid
AC v Inter

All proper derbies people from all over the world watch.
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The Newcastle v Sunderland derby is similar in stature to Villa v Blues (Villa being the Geordies and Makems Blues), a big deal to the locals!
 
I don't know why they are bothered about saying it isn't.

It is clearly a local derby but as clearly it is not the derby, as that is Newcastle v Sunderland.

Just shrug your shoulders & go on with your life, as until their Saudi owners relocate the club to London, you can't argue with geography.
 
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