Is Tyson Fury a fraud?

Heam44 said:
It’s just a ‘keep busy’ fight, to keep him occupied until the AJ fight, likely next year.

Obviously he could have fought someone better but he’s so close to the AJ fight he doesn’t wanna to take to much risk as there is too much money on the line in the AJ fight, should he fight someone better and lose the AJ fight as a whole would likely be worth less, and as we all know, in the HW division, one punch can change it all.
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I think the point is AJs warm up fight is against number 11 in the world, a man only beaten by Klitschko. Fury is fighting someone no one has heard of and ranked 36. He is unbeaten though, so who knows, maybe he is an unknown force.
 
I don't know that you can say he's taken on the top men of his era. He's fought Klitchko and Wilder and that's it. There are plenty of other fights out there for him that would enhance his legacy. Granted the top men of this era probably wouldn't be the top men of any other era but he could still fight a Ruiz/Povetkin/Parker/Whyte. He's fighting absolute nobodies and there's no guarantee that he'll fight Joshua after this, he'll walk away from the negotiations at least three times before we get anywhere near and Joshua may decide to sack it off and defend the WBO against Usyk.
 
BoroMart said:
I think the point is AJs warm up fight is against number 11 in the world, a man only beaten by Klitschko. Fury is fighting someone no one has heard of and ranked 36. He is unbeaten though, so who knows, maybe he is an unknown force.
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Cant really use that argument, AJ has fought his fair share of poor boxers plus lost to one of them.

Fury is the best in that class at the moment no question, name any top fighter who hasnt had their fair share of poor warm ups in their time?
 
Smogtastic said:
I don't know that you can say he's taken on the top men of his era. He's fought Klitchko and Wilder and that's it. There are plenty of other fights out there for him that would enhance his legacy. Granted the top men of this era probably wouldn't be the top men of any other era but he could still fight a Ruiz/Povetkin/Parker/Whyte. He's fighting absolute nobodies and there's no guarantee that he'll fight Joshua after this, he'll walk away from the negotiations at least three times before we get anywhere near and Joshua may decide to sack it off and defend the WBO against Usyk.
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Who are the top men of his era then? They were both title holders when he defeated them, I don’t think there was anyone better?
The other names you mention I agree he should be fighting them As his tick over fights rather than the guys he is fighting.
 
FatCat said:
Who are the top men of his era then? They were both title holders when he defeated them, I don’t think there was anyone better?
The other names you mention I agree he should be fighting them As his tick over fights rather than the guys he is fighting.
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I agree they are both very good wins, I just think you need more than two to be remembered as a great fighter.
Unfortunately for this era, its the ones I mentioned. I agree they wouldn't be anywhere near the top of most eras but at the moment they are and he should be fighting them.
 
Smogtastic said:
I agree they are both very good wins, I just think you need more than two to be remembered as a great fighter.
Unfortunately for this era, its the ones I mentioned. I agree they wouldn't be anywhere near the top of most eras but at the moment they are and he should be fighting them.
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Yes I am in agreement he should be fighting then.
 
Tyson Fury beats anyone put in front of him. Cannot wait for the Joshua fight, he's going to absolutely school him. No contest, not even close.
 
JM14 said:
Cant really use that argument, AJ has fought his fair share of poor boxers plus lost to one of them.
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Ruiz was 12 in the world, he has his limitations but he can absolutely punch and had never been down. He's way above all but 2 of Fury's opponents. Which top 20 ranked boxers (at the time) has Fury fought? Remember also that Ruiz was a stand in, as he was due to fight Miller who was even higher ranked. Look at the last 10 fights for these guys:

AJ:
- Dillian - 16 unbeaten, a tough nut, aggressive. Wasn't top 10 at time but was clearly going to be
- Charles Martin - IBF champion, unbeaten and KOd last 10 opponents, top 10 boxer at time
- Brezeale - an unbeaten champ top 10 at time
- Molina, top 20 boxer, had only lost to Wilder and Arreola
- Klitschko - legend
- Takam, was a stand in and top 15, His only defeat was Parker and he had never been on the floor
- Parker, unbeaten champ and top 10 boxer
- Povetkin, granite, long term top 10 boxer, had only lost once to Klitschko, had never been on the floor
- Ruiz - 12th in the world, a stand in, had only lost once to Parker, never been on the floor fought twice

Fury:
- Joey Abel top 50 boxer, had 7 defeats already, had been KOd 4 times
- Chisora - wasn't top 10 at this time, and had lost 4 of his last 10 fights coming into this, still was a top 20 opponent
- Christian Hammer - top 30 opponent, but had no real resume to speak of
- Klitschko - legend
- Seferi - top 50 opponent - had no resume at all
- Pianeta - top 40 - had at least been in with some decent boxers, but come off second worst to them
- Wilder - rubbish boxer but great puncher
- Schwarz - top 40 - hadn't fought anyone other than germans and czechs
- Wallin - top 50 boxer - no record at all, but managed to gauge Fury's eyebrow to pieces
- Wilder - rubbish boxer but great puncher

AJ hasn't gone outside the top 20, AJ has fought 6 of his last 10 against tomato cans.
 
joeydiaz said:
Tyson Fury beats anyone put in front of him. Cannot wait for the Joshua fight, he's going to absolutely school him. No contest, not even close.
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fanboy, sorry, it isn't going to be as one sided as you think. Fury has been built up to be superhuman, I like him, he's great entertainment and an excellent boxer, but he clearly has flaws that can be exploited and has hit the deck to some very average boxers.
 
BoroMart said:
I think the point is AJs warm up fight is against number 11 in the world, a man only beaten by Klitschko. Fury is fighting someone no one has heard of and ranked 36. He is unbeaten though, so who knows, maybe he is an unknown force.
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I think Pulev is a mandatory IIRC. Either way it doesn’t matter, coz I agree AJ fights much tougher opponents than Fury.

But I don’t think Fury can be criticised on this occasion for fighting a lower ranked fighter. Simply because the AJ fight is so close, AJ probably doesn’t want Fury to have to tough a fight incase he loses. There’s too much money involved when they fight.
 
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He has to fight someone in the top 15 of the WBC and If you look at what fighters are tied up with other fights, there is very few options available , especially at short notice.

It’s a fine fight for a tick over at short notice, when you take into consideration his limited options.
 
JustTheGent said:
These tick over fights are a load of nonsence. The heavyweight division is stacked and there's loads of good fights Fury could have had if he's as good as he's meant to be. He's picking easy fights in the main. A real champion would take on the best in the division and they'd be all big fights. You'd make more money doing it that way as well. Wilder has been shown up as a punk and whilst Fury is much better than that, I think he'll continue to dodge the more dangerous fighters. A good fight for Fury would have been Michael Hunter or even Andy Ruiz, Joseph Parker or Oscar Rivaz. These are good fights that Fury would be expected to win that would still be proper fights. Instead he's picking plumbs at European level. It's an absolute joke.
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Ruiz has already said he’s not fighting until next year.

Parker already has a fight scheduled with Junior Fa.

Oscar Rivas is really no better than Kabayel. Rivas only has a half decent win with a faded Bryant Jennings. You could argue that Kabayel has a better win v Chisora.

This is the problem, people list all these names and don’t really take into account they are not ready to fight in four weeks time, or they are already tied up with other fights.
 
BoroMart said:
fanboy, sorry, it isn't going to be as one sided as you think. Fury has been built up to be superhuman, I like him, he's great entertainment and an excellent boxer, but he clearly has flaws that can be exploited and has hit the deck to some very average boxers.
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Not a fanboy at all. Feel free to bump this thread though when the fight goes ahead though.
 
joeydiaz said:
Not a fanboy at all. Feel free to bump this thread though when the fight goes ahead though.
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Happily, too many people thinking Fury is perfect, and too many people underestimating AJs power. Fury is slight fave for me, but the idea he will bamboozle AJ who won't lay a glove on him is daft. His far superior to Wilder in ability and carries far more power than some of the people that have previous put Fury on the deck.
 
The problem is that Fury and Wilder were fighting plumbs to build up another fight between them. This meant they were both avoiding the real contenders in the division. Fury is picking his fights extremely carefully. Dillian Whyte has been having more dangerous fights than Fury. But when you consider what Usyk did in the Cruiserweight division it really shows what Fury is about. Usyk fought all the beasts in the division back to back and cleaned it out inside 18 months.
 
Just seen that the AJ fight is off until Jan, Poketkin Tested Positive for Covid

*Edit meant Whyte
 
Im not sure you can really criticise Fury for "ducking fights" when his comeback fight after 2 years old of the ring with massive mental health and weight issues was Wilder! Can't imagine too many being up for using Wilder as a comeback fight.
 
JustTheGent said:
The problem is that Fury and Wilder were fighting plumbs to build up another fight between them. This meant they were both avoiding the real contenders in the division. Fury is picking his fights extremely carefully. Dillian Whyte has been having more dangerous fights than Fury. But when you consider what Usyk did in the Cruiserweight division it really shows what Fury is about. Usyk fought all the beasts in the division back to back and cleaned it out inside 18 months.
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You gotta respect the way Usyk went about it, tested himself all the way. Even if he doesn't win a HW champ, he is still in the mix for cruiserweight GOAT
 
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