Investors pull out of Everton talks

Colgates_shaving_foam said:
Isn't Everton's problem that they don't have financial clout?

They seem to be sniffing around looking for funding to sign players and finish the stadium.

They may well get bought out with all debts cleared and be fine but there must be a chance that they get relegated and then implode in a portsmouth style?
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Portsmouth were and still very much are a much smaller commercial brand than Everton FC, domestically and globally, who have never been outside the top flight for 80 years or whatever and founded the PL. Just my opinion, but Everton won't do a Portsmouth if they do go down.
 
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I don't 'hate' Everton and I don't want to see them go out of business. But they are one of the five that saw themselves as more important than the rest and led to the start of the Premier League and so I want them to fail.

But I still have no idea what 'too big' means and how that would prevent them from a further relegation if, as I hope, they get relegated this, or any other, season.
 
atypical_boro said:
OK Capy, we know you hate Everton and want them to go out of business. But in my opinion, if they go down, they will bounce back fairly quickly like Villa and Newcastle did, and unlike City, Leeds, Forest who took longer. You may disagree, that's fine. Not sure 'meaningless' is the correct term, however. Everton are an incredibly well-resourced club in the scheme of things, they would likely be bought out and taken over again before they go bankrupt.
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I think there is a bigger question here about the sustainability of clubs like Everton in the top league whose tradition means the supporters won’t accept them being ordinary but they haven’t the ownership to be competitive with the likes of Liverpool.

It just doesn’t matter how big the history of a club is unless somebody comes forward with a bottomless pit they will continue to overreach and then struggle when it doesn’t work.

Its all about the wealth of the owners now.
 
Capybara said:
I don't 'hate' Everton and I don't want to see them go out of business. But they are one of the five that saw themselves as more important than the rest and led to the start of the Premier League and so I want them to fail.

But I still have no idea what 'too big' means and how that would prevent them from a further relegation if, as I hope, they get relegated this, or any other, season.
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Well I think I've explained that their commercial brand, globally and domestically, is pretty massive, and therefore their financial and footballing bouncebackability is, in my opinion at least, probably higher than Portsmouth's.

To break it down, if they get relegated, they will likely still find the resources to continue taking financial risks on the quality of the players they sign. More so than Portsmouth could back in 2010, since that's who they're being compared to.
 
atypical_boro said:
Well I think I've explained that their commercial brand, globally and domestically, is pretty massive, and therefore their financial and footballing bouncebackability is, in my opinion at least, probably higher than Portsmouth's.

To break it down, if they get relegated, they will likely still find the resources to continue taking financial risks on the quality of the players they sign. More so than Portsmouth could back in 2010, since that's who they're being compared to.
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Interesting, given the thread is about potential investors pulling out.
 
Capybara said:
Interesting, given the thread is about potential investors pulling out.
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Yeah, but that doesn't mean the brand dies does it? There will be plenty of other prospective owners waiting to take over Everton FC if it all goes awry with the current ownership. Could be all sorts of reasons why MFP have chosen not to invest.
 
everton have spend 100's of millions on the current squad. yet they are still fighting relegation with them players. thye have over spent and cant afford to keep doing that so are stuck with the current crop of garbage merc's. if they go down they would probably be in a bit of a pickle financially. if they went down and never went back up at the first attempt. that would be a problem for them. They cant afford to go down and stay down, they will collapse if it happens. it would take them years to build back up again.
they should be able to attract the best players available to them if they were to play championship football and have a really good chance at going back up though. if they dropped and bounced straight back. it could really give them a chance to purge the squad and rebuild and go again.
 
Dynamo Kev said:
everton have spend 100's of millions on the current squad. yet they are still fighting relegation with them players. thye have over spent and cant afford to keep doing that so are stuck with the current crop of garbage merc's. if they go down they would probably be in a bit of a pickle financially. if they went down and never went back up at the first attempt. that would be a problem for them. They cant afford to go down and stay down, they will collapse if it happens. it would take them years to build back up again.
they should be able to attract the best players available to them if they were to play championship football and have a really good chance at going back up though. if they dropped and bounced straight back. it could really give them a chance to purge the squad and rebuild and go again.
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Well thats it in a nutshell. I just don't see them going into ruin, its possible but far from likely if we're making predictions. They'll come down, bounce back at the first or second attempt, and their fans might have a bit of a fresh outlook and see coming 6th or 7th in the PL differently to how they viewed it under Martinez or Koeman or whatever when they claimed it was 'not good enough'. Very similar to what happened with Villa and Newcastle. Thats my prediction anyway.
 
The problem Everton will have is if they go down they barely have anybody in their squad that they can sell to balance the books
 
Capybara said:
I don't 'hate' Everton and I don't want to see them go out of business. But they are one of the five that saw themselves as more important than the rest and led to the start of the Premier League and so I want them to fail.

But I still have no idea what 'too big' means and how that would prevent them from a further relegation if, as I hope, they get relegated this, or any other, season.
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While I'm not bothered if they stay up or go down I'm also not bothered either way if they go out of business or not
Wolves have their best chance of getting 3 points on Saturday. While Everton were unlucky with the wrongly disallowed goal against Fulham they were lucky Villa didn't score lots more in a truly awful performance last game
 
Based on the Villa game, they were awful.

Really, really awful. Like a team of 11 new signings chucked together to "give it a go".

The fans - long suffering - also look to have given up, streaming out of Villa Park midway during the second half. More interested in protests against the owners than what's happening on the pitch.

A huge toxic mess which could become very, very nasty if results continue.
 
I just don’t see Everton as a huge club.
They are very much second club in their city to a very big club.
I don’t see them at all as a Global brand.

Villa are the big boys in the second city, Newcastle and Leeds are one club urban areas.
West Ham reach wide out across Essex not just East London.
I don’t think they will ever be a top 6 club again.

If Everton do drop with the debt around that stadium, then they will struggle.

I’d absolutely agree they are not a Pompey either, but they are miles off being too big to go down and stay down a while.
 
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