India compared to China

I remember watching the earlier test matches, when they had crowds in, it was odd that they all seemed to be put in a few sections, not much social distancing and quite a few sections were totally empty.
 
TeaCider said:
China also says they've only had 4,636 deaths during the whole pandemic, despite feeling the need to have military enforced lockdowns across the country, I'd trust their figures about as far as I could throw them, though I doubt the true figure is anywhere near as bad as India's is likely to end up.
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Yes but we have a window into China through Hong Kong - they have had only 209 deaths. China will not open up the borders with and from Hong Kong until there are no cases. I know from family in Hong Kong lockdown Chinese style means total lockdown not as in India where millions of people mixed together at a religious festival and then returned to every corner of India. Just like Spanish Flu epidemic being spread all over Europe from returning troops from WWI.
 
I expected India to be the worst hit country when we first entered lockdown. The population density and living conditions for many especially in the bigger cities almost guaranteed it. I’m more surprised that it’s taken this long. I assumed the benefits of spending so much time outdoors and in the sun, with a lower average body weight of the population had minimised the chances of hospitalisation or worse. I hope they can get it under control, but I really fear for them.
 
My friend Khadim was explaining to me this week how the picture is far, far worse than we see. He said we keep hearing interviews on tv but only the upper classes can speak English. He said the lower castes are not even allowed to use some of the hospitals. The picture could be horrendously bleak away from the higher income groups.
 
rob_fmttm said:
Yes but we have a window into China through Hong Kong - they have had only 209 deaths. China will not open up the borders with and from Hong Kong until there are no cases. I know from family in Hong Kong lockdown Chinese style means total lockdown not as in India where millions of people mixed together at a religious festival and then returned to every corner of India. Just like Spanish Flu epidemic being spread all over Europe from returning troops from WWI.
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I don't believe the Hong Kong figures either, it's automomous in name only now.

11,000 cases spread over 16 months in a city of 7.5 million, but they're still cutting it off from the mainland.
 
rob_fmttm said:
My friend Khadim was explaining to me this week how the picture is far, far worse than we see. He said we keep hearing interviews on tv but only the upper classes can speak English. He said the lower castes are not even allowed to use some of the hospitals. The picture could be horrendously bleak away from the higher income groups.
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Yes. Sadly there will be lots of people dying who don’t get anywhere near a hospital.
 
Remember when it first kicked off in Italy and people said “oh it’s just the aging Italian population”. Weird how that became a widely spoken narrative for a while.
 
TeaCider said:
I think this will be the case all over the world, sadly.
There were certainly horror stories coming out of Peru, and the issues in Brazil are well documented.
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Yes. Will be the case in the Philippines too.

We always feared this would happen but it somehow hit Western Europe and North America badly way before everywhere else.

Even Poland and Germany are way behind us and the Western Mediterranean but both in deeper trouble now.
 
One bloke that was interviewed said he was doing up to 10 cremations a day a few weeks ago... the last few days he has been doing 100... and this was just one small area of Mumbai.

the official numbers just don’t stack up
 
Youngie said:
One bloke that was interviewed said he was doing up to 10 cremations a day a few weeks ago... the last few days he has been doing 100... and this was just one small area of Mumbai.

the official numbers just don’t stack up
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Well in China they’ve lost approximately 9 people per day on average since the pandemic began. 9! In a country of 1.4bn!
 
I was reading that If you die outside a hospital you aren’t in the official figures India reports.

i have a friend working their, the area he’s in is relatively unaffected at the moment. The main areas sounds like hell on earth.
 
That first lockdown in Wuhan was brutal, after the virus was accidentally released from their Institute of Virology** It's almost like the Chinese knew how dangerous the virus was immediately!


**NB. Not proven, said in jest, but equally not completely ruled out.
 
I work for an Indian company and we have lots of people hospitalised, dying and have sadly lost a few colleagues. These are the folks that have private health care and it is still very bad for them.

In the first lockdown they fenced off each state and you couldn't drive between them. Since the first lockdown each state has done their own thing so the response has become fragmented.

There isn't a sense of mass panic yet and you have to read the numbers proportionally but it could get very bad.
 
Johns Hopkins is no longer reporting the data from China or Hong Kong. But you would assume that HK could manage the outbreak similiar to Singapore (easily sealed border etc), and its East Asian neighbours (all, like China, had SARS experience which they used for Covid).

I have start up businesses in India and Brasil, and my son lives in Wuhan. To add to the anecdotes, the numbers in India and Brasil are almost certainly higher than reported. In Brasil definitely (India probably) the situation has been made a lot worse by a president in denial (Bolsonaro may be impeached).

Of course in both the proportion of people on day rates etc (i.e. if you don't work, you don't get paid) is 60 to 70%+. With no/limited government support, you have to work and mix with a lot of people. São Paulo and Bangalore (my two points of contact) don't lend themselves to domestic isolating either!

In Wuhan people know that the numbers were higher than reported; the lockdown once applied was strictly observed (you had no choice!); local outbreaks since look as though they have been contained quickly (a very quick track, trace and isolate); life has been pretty much "normal" for the last 8 months with, now, few, if any, local restrictions.
 

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redblood said:
Australia has in the last couple of days stopped all incoming flights from India leaving about thirty eight thousand
Indian- Australians stranded.

Feel very sorry for them but I think it did need to happen to prevent further outbreaks here.
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The type of obvious move that we were shown incapable of making last year and why we have over 150,000 deaths in our much smaller population.
 
TeaCider said:
China also says they've only had 4,636 deaths during the whole pandemic, despite feeling the need to have military enforced lockdowns across the country, I'd trust their figures about as far as I could throw them, though I doubt the true figure is anywhere near as bad as India's is likely to end up.
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clearly their numbers are nonsense. But getting people to adhere to rules in china is probably a lot easier than in India.
 
If it's ripping through India, you can be sure it'll be rife in Bangladesh and Pakistan, but they are reporting very low death rates despite their enormous populations.
I think not only China and Iran are being very economical with the truth.
 
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