Incredible! Johnson announced 54m more to Ukraine yet…

No, but the money sent to Ukraine isn't the reason for people struggling. They are unrelated events.

You're correct that a lot of people will be up in arms about this, and the cynic in me believes it is often done that way on purpose to divert attention away from those in power and towards others. Sadly it also shows a lack of critical thinking on the part of the average person (altho not entirely unexpected when people are desperate and are hoping for change).

Ask yourself this question - given that the 2 events are unrelated, what is the right thing to do? I hope most people would agree to help Ukraine, as well as do something about the issues faced at home.
Ideally we should do both.

But.

As you say, the optics of the whole thing don't sit right with the everyday man and woman. No signs of help for the population in the UK, only paper talk and leaks, whilst the government are heavily publicising the aid they are sending to the Ukraine.

If there is only so much money to go round it should be spent here before the Ukraine. Johnson is more than likely lying, he's good at it.
 
Ideally we should do both.

But.

As you say, the optics of the whole thing don't sit right with the everyday man and woman. No signs of help for the population in the UK, only paper talk and leaks, whilst the government are heavily publicising the aid they are sending to the Ukraine.

If there is only so much money to go round it should be spent here before the Ukraine. Johnson is more than likely lying, he's good at it.
Just because we could stop helping them doesn't mean the rest of the world (mainly Europe) would, supply would still be low and demand would still be high, the problem wouldn't go away. Even if the fighting stopped (through a putin "win" or a loss) it would be unlikely he would go to normal service anytime soon.

Same as if every country stopped helping Ukraine, Putin couldn't take Ukraine when they had little help, and fresh soldiers, he's got no chance even if they still got half the help. High might end up satisfying himself by holding west Ukraine, but it would only be a matter of time before he went after the rest and it all starts again. Or Ukraine try and take it back, which they would be entitled to, and then what if Putin stops the gas again, do WWE attack Ukraine? Of course not.

After he's done with Ukraine he could just do it again with somewhere else, he's hardly likely to play nice for the next 10 years, and then the problem starts again, and then again, and then again.

He needs to know that it won't be tolerated, and if he cuts supply, then fine, the developed nations in the EU/ Europe are more than capable enough of dealing with that, if they actually chose to.

All the time over the next decade or two there should be nobody whinging about any sort of renewable energy supply/ construction, put in place on our own shores, which we can have full control over. They solve problems like this, and also massively help with the green issues. Even if people aren't even remotely green, they surely can't fail to see that it's going to be better for their pockets in the long run.

It's either spend £100m or £10bn now (or whatever it is) to try and solve the problem (and make Russia give in), or spend 5x that over the next decade or whatever. Whilst the world is moving against fossil fuels, Putin knows their days are numbered (personally, and with regards to Russia having a grip on fossil fuels), and he is going to use what control he has left to grab as much land and resources as he can get his hands on.

There is only so much money to go around, the problem is the top 10% have 50% of it in the UK.

Taking a £100m loan to avoid paying a billion to a lunatic over the next decade is money well spent.
 
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At the expense of our own people?

How many British families living in homes with no lights, heat, food and water will it take before we've given enough financial help to another country?
Don't blame the Ukrainians for the deeds of the Tory party - that's what they want.
 
Ideally we should do both.

But.

As you say, the optics of the whole thing don't sit right with the everyday man and woman. No signs of help for the population in the UK, only paper talk and leaks, whilst the government are heavily publicising the aid they are sending to the Ukraine.

If there is only so much money to go round it should be spent here before the Ukraine. Johnson is more than likely lying, he's good at it.

Another £54m is peanuts for the UK - barely a PL footballer these days.

So what would you do?

If the only reason to not help Ukraine in the way that we are is that "the optics don't sit right"... is that a good enough reason to not do it?
 
Don't blame the Ukrainians for the deeds of the Tory party - that's what they want.
Nobody is blaming the Ukrainian people.
A lady who worked with us for a while is actually returning there at the end of September with her sister and son.

@Matt what would I do with regards to what? If there was only one choice (which there isn't) I would keep the money in this country.
 
Nobody is blaming the Ukrainian people.
A lady who worked with us for a while is actually returning there at the end of September with her sister and son.

@Matt what would I do with regards to what? If there was only one choice (which there isn't) I would keep the money in this country.
That's the whole point. There is more than one choice, regardless of the way the Tories try to spin it
 
Are we just expected to let to people in our country die because we are sending our money that could help them to a country ran by a comedian?

The common man and woman doesn't give a **** about the politics of it all. All they will see is newspaper headlines stating Ukraine have been given more millions and millions and they'll wonder where their share is.
I’m fairly sure the common man and woman will be very concerned about the situation, it would take a strange person not to be bothered knowing about an ongoing humanitarian disaster but wanting their own government to do less to help

But let’s be honest it’s not a case of not being able to help our own people specifically because we’re helping Ukraine. That’s the same classic right wing deflection ***** as blaming immigration for every problem going. Please don’t fall for this rubbish from Johnson, foreign aid makes up a tiny percentage of our gdp. The government could do far more to help and still commit our fair share to Ukraine, don’t forget that
 
At the expense of our own people?

How many British families living in homes with no lights, heat, food and water will it take before we've given enough financial help to another country?
it's not - or should not be - an either or game. Supporting Ukriane & stand up to the Stalinist fantasy that Putin is LARPing is in Europes interest never mind UK's, however the shambolic antiquated Tory party needs to get a kicking for it's pathetic leadership tombola..

It's the - seemingly - out of step corporate greed that needs to be brought into severe check & the pay & benefits of those in the top 10% [ irrisponsible for 52% of all pollution, BTW ]
 
Tell that to the single mother of two who's a keyworker using food banks...

For example.

I would , because what she has to contend with is nothing to what the Ukrainians have to .

A Ukrainian mother will have that and have the worry of the Russians coming into her area. Russians who could potentially rape her , her children ( yes some russian soldiers have ) or take her kids off her to be “re-educated” in Russia where she may never see them again. Her husband or boyfriend might be in the army , she faces the risk of never seeing him again as he is killed defending the country . Or he returns permanently crippled from the fighting. Either way , she faces the prospect of raising true kids alone or having an additional disabled person to look after

So while I sympathise with the uk woman , it is nothing to what is happening in Ukraine. The situations are not even remotely comparable
 
As said it’s more Boris Johnson being holiday for weeks, doing and saying nothing about any ongoing UK issued to just pop up in Ukraine receiving praise. The money to Ukraine isn’t an issue, it’s Johnson then basically saying everyone in the UK has to shut up and just put up with the ongoing cost of living issue while the Government do nothing.

He should have been out of office as soon as he resigned, he’s a joke.
 
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