Incredible! Johnson announced 54m more to Ukraine yet…

Muttley said:
Helping Ukraine does not mean that we can't help our own at the same time. We can do more than one thing at a time.

It is absolutely important to help Ukraine, it isn't an excuse not to bother helping people in the UK. But of course in the case of Johnson and the Tory Party addressing the abhorrent profits being raked in by power companies might mean taking money out of chums pockets in dividends not paid or party donations and consultancies not given.
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I'm not disputing that Ukraine needs help but it sticks in the throat that you see billions given to another country, heavily publicised, hell Johnson has taken another trip to Kiev, whilst the people of this country are expected to suck it up and make financial sacrifices, many too many for most.
 
Boro4life said:
Give over we should be helping Ukraine
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I’m not saying anything about don’t help Ukraine you numpty
What I’m saying is Johnson passed on any decision about support for the uk public and business with extraordinary energy prices as well as fuel prices and food prices to the ‘new’ PM sometime in September!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yet, great media opportunity to announce another 54m to Ukraine president and a special visit.

Why isn’t the fat bar steward in knotty ash sitting with Olivia’s mother apologising for the criminal gangs running around with guns etc ??? with youths sat around with nothing to do because the tories have decimated youth centres etc through austerity measures and perpetuate this ‘small state’ bullsyhte which is always counter intuitive to a happy looked after citizen pool with people feeling supported by the state to be good honest citizens
 
Randy said:
I'm not disputing that Ukraine needs help but it sticks in the throat that you see billions given to another country, heavily publicised, hell Johnson has taken another trip to Kiev, whilst the people of this country are expected to suck it up and make financial sacrifices, many too many for most.
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Really? Well you certainly imply it when you post...
Randy said:
Outrageous how they are getting away with giving away OUR money when WE are struggling.
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You are one step away with the old Tory trope of "charity begins at home" to excuse not helping someone other than your own whether it is the poor of Africa or the homeless on the streets of Middlesbrough.

Johnson and his criminal cabal are utterly without redeeming factor but in this case they are right to help Ukraine to the utmost extent we can. It is, you probably realise, Ukraine's Independence Day today, one they cannot celebrate without the risk of sudden violent death.
 
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And yet the money given to Ukraine is not enough. We have to make our minds up. Are we OK with the stalemate that is becoming apparent at the moment. Or are we still enraged by the invasion of a sovereign country. This was always going to cost everyone a huge amount of money. The question is are we going to stay the course or is the price we are going to have to continue to pay too much

Johnson is an absolute attention seeking trud
 
Ex Footy Legs said:
Johnson needs to pass on any support for his own people to the next PM sometime in September.
You fcuking couldn’t make it up (!)

He’s happy to offer help to Ukraine and yet won’t talk about help for us lot.
The press should be all over this ! Asking questions as to why support for Ukraine announced yet can’t do the same for the Uk people !
What an absolute disgrace.
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It’s interesting as that’s my exact thoughts when people want unchecked immigration and the costs that involves which far exceed 54millio but try to have an adult discussion about that without being called a racist!
 
Seriously ? Are you equating to heating your home to a country literally fighting for its independence ? The troubles were facing are small time to what the Ukrainians are having to endure

Of course we should be sending money to the Ukrainians . Put it this way, if Russia takes control of Ukraine , your heating bills are the least of your worries

This board is absolutely ridiculous at times . The one thing Johnson has arguably got right is Ukraine , yet people’s bias forbids them from at least giving him that .

I mean corbyn came out the other day and pretty much told the west to stop arming Ukraine (thus subjecting to oppression) - not a peep from here, despite the possibility he could have become our pm
 
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Boroboyyo said:
Seriously ? Are you equating to heating your home to a country literally fighting for its independence ? The troubles were facing are small time to what the Ukrainians are having to endure

Of course we should be sending money to the Ukrainians . Put it this way, if Russia takes control of Ukraine , your heating bills are the least of your worries

This board is absolutely ridiculous at times . The one thing Johnson has arguably got right is Ukraine , yet people’s bias forbids them from at least giving him that .

I mean corbyn came out the other day and pretty much told the west to stop arming Ukraine (this subjecting to oppression) - not a peep from here, despite the possibility he could have become our pm
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SPOT ON , GOOD ON BORIS FOR HELPING
 
The ongoing help for Ukraine, the apparent absence of our government while we 'elect' a new PM, our cost of living crisis and our outgoing PM's self egrandisme can all exist independently without impacting your opinion of them individually.
I'm very anti-Tory and would grudgingly give some credit to Johnson for supporting Ukraine if he hadn't taken the **** out of his own population so badly.
 
Randy said:
At the expense of our own people?

How many British families living in homes with no lights, heat, food and water will it take before we've given enough financial help to another country?
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Our suffering can hardly be compared to what Ukrainians are currently going through, as one of the richest countries on the planet if we don’t help then who will?
 
US and Uk supply ‘aid’ in the form of security packages and economic assistance. In other words we pay our fat cat owners of our weapons companies top dollar for their weapons, and our financial houses here paid to assist Ukraine rebuilding with their brands and systems.. in turn they support our governments … follow the money and you won’t go far wrong.. Boris or Biden doesn’t suddenly have a passion for freedom or justice ( ref Saudi), but they are propped up by money..
 
Undertone said:
US and Uk supply ‘aid’ in the form of security packages and economic assistance. In other words we pay our fat cat owners of our weapons companies top dollar for their weapons, and our financial houses here paid to assist Ukraine rebuilding with their brands and systems.. in turn they support our governments … follow the money and you won’t go far wrong.. Boris or Biden doesn’t suddenly have a passion for freedom or justice ( ref Saudi), but they are propped up by money..
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It's not as if it's new in this sort of situation. It's Ukraine's turn to be the arena but the same old brokers will be raking the tax payer money in.

I bought a book many years ago on the brokering of Exocet missile sales to Argentina in 1981. MPs sitting on the boards. May have been advertised in the New Statesman at the time. No shame and no Fleet Street condemnation either.
 
Johnson has pledged arms and money to Ukraine because he knows that those deals will benefit donors in the British weapons business with lucrative supply contracts, other countries have offered far more support in terms of easing the humanitarian crisis by making it easier for refugees to enter their borders, U.K. system saw thousands refused entry, and whilst the 63.5k Ukrainians who have been allowed visas into the U.K. is commendable when you look at Poland, Romania and Hungary with over 1million refugees, Germany with over 300k, France and Italy around 150k and even Lithuania has taken 55k Ukrainians fleeing the war zone.

Johnson has used the war as a distraction and advocacy of his own good governance, and whilst it's fair to say relative to all his other disasters his handling of the Ukrainian situation has been adequate, to suggest we've done enough or directed our efforts totally in the right direction is simply pushing things too far.

Ben Wallace has shown that there are Conservative Ministers capable of doing a good job without the need for ceaseless self promotion or over emphasis of their own importance in the much wider issue of the ongoing conflict.
 
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