If we'd got Warnock instead of Pulis..

Pog said:
No the demand was “anyone but Pulis”. You people got what you wanted. Woodgate is anyone. Own it.

Are you naive enough to believe Pulis signed identified and signed those players? Next you’ll be telling me Karanka begged Gibson to sign Rhodes, Downing, Bamford, Gestede, etc, etc.

That’s not how this club works. The days of a manager and a little black book of targets are long gone.

The only player Pulis identified and pursued was Mikel, who (after false outrage from our fans) turned out to be one of our best players.
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I literally dont think a single person on the planet wanted rid of Pulis so we could get Woodgate.
 
JM14 said:
Didnt think it was possible to fit 4 CBs, 4 CMs, a LB and striker into the same starting 11. He should have been sacked in the dressing room for putting that side out.
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It is incredible. Yet we are the ones who don’t understand tactics.
 
Marvanelli said:
This defence of your hero is incredible.

He maybe didn't sign any wide players....but he still had the likes of Tav at his disposal.

Face the truth. Pulis failed.

He was signed to gain promotion. He was given plenty of money of which he spent £20m....more than most in the league and he still didn't get us up.

The bloke was a clown. And we rightly so parted ways last summer.
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You thinking Pulis was given £20m by Gibson and he went and chose those players is up there with your warped belief that:

• He had no impact on Traore, he just had to play him (despite Traore stating the opposite)
• Pulis took is backwards (despite the opposite being true)
• We mathematically couldn’t get in the play-offs on the final day (despite the opposite being true)
• We had zero chance of promotion under Pulis (despite us being in the play-offs in his first season)
• Bolasie wouldn’t sign because of Pulis (despite him travelling to the training ground to be shown around by....Tony Pulis)
• Literally anyone could do a better job than Tony Pulis (we now know that is defiantly not true)

There’s a clear pattern emerging. Whatever you say, the opposite is true.
 
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JM14 said:
I literally dont think a single person on the planet wanted rid of Pulis so we could get Woodgate.
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A lot including myself said we would take anyone over Pulis...it was a figure of speech (something I don't think POG knows the meaning of)...and because we ended up with Woodgate, apparently it means we all wanted Woodgate as manager.

It's a way of POG deflecting the truth of the matter - that Pulis wasn't good enough.
 
Pog said:
You thinking Pulis was given £20m by Gibson and he went and chose those players is up there with your warped belief that:

• He had no impact on Traore, he just had to play him (despite Traore stating the opposite)
• Pulis took is backwards (despite the opposite being true)
• We mathematically couldn’t get in the play-offs on the final day (despite the opposite being true)
• We had zero chance of promotion under Pulis (despite us being in the play-offs in his first season)
• Bolasie wouldn’t sign because of Pulis (despite him travelling to the training ground to be shown around by....Tony Pulis)

There’s a clear pattern emerging. Whatever you say, the opposite is true.
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Where did I say he just played Traore? - again, nonsense.
Pulis took us backwards - yes he did. He took over when we were a point or two outside the play offs. He left us outside the playoffs with a worse squad than when he took over all whilst spending the little money we had left from parachute payments on players we didn't need. - The squad he took over was far better than the one he left us with. That is taking us backwards.
That Villa away 2nd leg performance reiterates we had zero chance of promotion under that clown. We desperately needed to score. What does he do? Starts the game with our best goalscorer on the bench, and then when he does bring him on, he lets him have the best part of 7 minutes up top before he brings Gestede on and puts Bamford on the wing. Absolutely clueless.
And Bolasie not signing isn't Pulis' fault?? He cried about the lack of pace and width. We had Tav and we signed Van La Parra on loan....refused to play them. Just continued to play 5 CBs and 5 CMs.

You need to wake up, remove your Pulis banners from your bedroom and realise Pulis was part of the problem and not the solution.
 
Marvanelli said:
Where did I say he just played Traore? - again, nonsense.

And Bolasie not signing isn't Pulis' fault???
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You’ve said it multiple times, you’ve refused to give him any credit. Unless of course you which to correct that now and give Pulis credit for his role in Traore’s development?

Everton wanted us to pay Bolasie’s £70,000 a week wages, which we were unwilling to do and Villa were. You’d have to have to been an absolute simpleton to blame that on Pulis.
 
Looking back on Pulis, it's quite telling that under him we seemed to find form when he was pretty much forced into decisions. At the start of the season he went with wing-backs, and had Britt and Braithwaite up front, who were performing well together. We were playing decent football.

After the window closed we switched to 4-5-1, with Hugill starting up front on his own and Besic in midfield and we lost our form. We then switched to full-on Pulisball.
 
Jesus @Block21 when you look at that squad it really shows how much more talent we had even last season from Randolph up.

I'm sorry @Pog I know you're a good lad, who's passionate about the Boro and TP but there's two massive holes in your argument.

1. 'Anyone but Pulis' - there was a vocal group begging for Warnock post pulis. There was also widespread dread and shock at the woodgate appointment whilst saying 'give him a chance'.

2.'5th and 7th were good considering the squad' - just look at the team we COULD have put out with better tactics and management.

I'll ask you this.. do you honestly think Warnock wouldn't do better with the squad Pulis had? Both seasons.
 
Alvez_48 said:
Jesus @Block21 when you look at that squad it really shows how much more talent we had even last season from Randolph up.

I'm sorry @Pog I know you're a good lad, who's passionate about the Boro and TP but there's two massive holes in your argument.

1. 'Anyone but Pulis' - there was a vocal group begging for Warnock post pulis. There was also widespread dread and shock at the woodgate appointment whilst saying 'give him a chance'.

2.'5th and 7th were good considering the squad' - just look at the team we COULD have put out with better tactics and management.

I'll ask you this.. do you honestly think Warnock wouldn't do better with the squad Pulis had? Both seasons.
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I noticed it too. Warnock would do wonders with last seasons squad
 
JM14 said:
He was brilliant that season, we wouldnt have been able to bring in a keeper anywhere near his ability at that time.

He is a player that has won everything, in his final year I couldnt really blame him for not playing for Steve Agnew and an already relegated side
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an interesting take, a player that has played for a successful team should take issue, create problems and leave a team struggling for survival? he want's F***ing with a ragman trumpet for that!
 
Alvez_48 said:
Jesus @Block21 when you look at that squad it really shows how much more talent we had even last season from Randolph up.

I'm sorry @Pog I know you're a good lad, who's passionate about the Boro and TP but there's two massive holes in your argument.

1. 'Anyone but Pulis' - there was a vocal group begging for Warnock post pulis. There was also widespread dread and shock at the woodgate appointment whilst saying 'give him a chance'.

2.'5th and 7th were good considering the squad' - just look at the team we COULD have put out with better tactics and management.

I'll ask you this.. do you honestly think Warnock wouldn't do better with the squad Pulis had? Both seasons.
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I saw very few wanting Warnock. He was branded as much of a “dinosaur” as Pulis. Most had dreams of Jokanovic. But as I correctly predicted way back last season, it was Jonathan Woodgate.

I think Warnock would have done better, because he’s an expert at this level. I’ve wanted us to appoint him for the last 10 years.

However I don’t think he would have got us in the Top 2. We’d have been in the play-off lottery, which Pulis was very close to achieving in 2 consecutive seasons.

You say the team we could have put out. I don’t see it. The balance of the squad was terrible, absolutely terrible. Pulis told us all this in August.

If Braithwaite had shown the levels of commitment he had in the opening 4 games then maybe we could have done something. As for options - Downing was awful, Van La Parra terrible, Tavernier didn’t do it then much like he can’t get in the team now.

Jurgen Klopp wouldn’t have guaranteed promotion with that squad, it was a bunch of good or average players poorly assembled with no plan, philosophy, set-piece takers, leaders or pave.

For people to say that 5th and 7th was disastrous is just ludicrous when you look at where we’ve finished recently and cutrebkty
 
Pog said:
Cost is irrelevant. Those players could have cost £300m to assemble and it didn’t make them any better at football. All that means is the club has previously spent big money on rubbish.

You should know by now the manager doesn’t buy the players at this football club, no matter who that manager is.

So by your definition he did a good job in his first season and a poor one in the second.
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"You should know by now the manager doesn’t buy the players at this football club, no matter who that manager is."
I was with you Pog til you spoilt it with that cobblers.
 
hopesoboro said:
"You should know by now the manager doesn’t buy the players at this football club, no matter who that manager is."
I was with you Pog til you spoilt it with that cobblers.
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Cast your mind back.

Southgate wanted James Beattie, he got Afonso Alves.

Steve Gibson bought Stewart Downing as a vanity project, “a gift” to Karanka.

Karanka wanted Ross McCormack, he got Jordan Rhodes.

Karanka was incandescent with Gibson and the recruitment team not long before he left as none of the players he identified were signed, instead the club lumbered him a player who hadn’t played regularly for a year and a half (Bamford) and 2 bang average Championship players (Gestede and Guadioura).

He did not identify or want those players.

Pulis wanted Tammy Abraham, Yannick Bolasie and Matt Richie. For reasons of finances and preferred location they didn’t happen. Instead he was lumbered with Hugill, Saville and McNair.

He wasn’t happy about this business, and he stated this in his press conference (just like Karanka).

Woodgate admitted when he took over, the manager doesn’t sign the players. He’s part of a committee.
 
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