I have a horrible suspicion NW won’t stay

Lizards is simply letting his dislike for Warnock colour his vision.

By any objective measures Warnock has made real progress with inferior resources.

The Club wage bill was £43.2m in Year to June 2018 and Monk had a massive squad.
His signings totalled a £50m plus commitment that the Club has to account for with amortisation and impairment through players' contracts here.

In the Year to June 2019, pulis' season horriblis, he maintained a massive squad enhanced by expensive loan signings. The Club wage bill was £35.6m exc loan payments and he committed a further £20m that requires amortisation. The % cut in parachute payments received was not nearly matched by the cut in wage bill. pulis had a very big, very well paid squad, ten of which he recruited.

Woodgate really did see his squad and his wage bill significantly cut as it had to be. He struggled to get a tune out of a smaller inferior squad and was rightly sacked. The wage bill has not yet been reported, but has been suggested as under £25m.

It was clear the wage bill had to be cut again and it is clear that it has been. I would suggest the current wage bill is c£20m.
The squad now is definitely smaller and bolstered by youngsters.
The wage bill is less than half it was in Monk's season and not much more than half it was under pulis.

We are currently 7th, exactly where pulis left us.
Monk left us 9th.

I think the job Neil Warnock has done is amazing:
1. To keep a dispirited squad up last season.
2. To get this workmanlike squad to touch the Play offs.
3. To re-connect the supporter base with the Club.

Thankfully there aren't many with Lizard's outlook and opinion - much as he is entitled to it.
Hopefully Warnock doesn't read his drivel.
 
indeedido said:
Lizards is simply letting his dislike for Warnock colour his vision.

By any objective measures Warnock has made real progress with inferior resources.

The Club wage bill was £43.2m in Year to June 2018 and Monk had a massive squad.
His signings totalled a £50m plus commitment that the Club has to account for with amortisation and impairment through players' contracts here.

In the Year to June 2019, pulis' season horriblis, he maintained a massive squad enhanced by expensive loan signings. The Club wage bill was £35.6m exc loan payments and he committed a further £20m that requires amortisation. The % cut in parachute payments received was not nearly matched by the cut in wage bill. pulis had a very big, very well paid squad, ten of which he recruited.

Woodgate really did see his squad and his wage bill significantly cut as it had to be. He struggled to get a tune out of a smaller inferior squad and was rightly sacked. The wage bill has not yet been reported, but has been suggested as under £25m.

It was clear the wage bill had to be cut again and it is clear that it has been. I would suggest the current wage bill is c£20m.
The squad now is definitely smaller and bolstered by youngsters.
The wage bill is less than half it was in Monk's season and not much more than half it was under pulis.

We are currently 7th, exactly where pulis left us.
Monk left us 9th.

I think the job Neil Warnock has done is amazing:
1. To keep a dispirited squad up last season.
2. To get this workmanlike squad to touch the Play offs.
3. To re-connect the supporter base with the Club.

Thankfully there aren't many with Lizard's outlook and opinion - much as he is entitled to it.
Hopefully Warnock doesn't read his drivel.
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He may well see it, but i am sure he has broad shoulders Indeedido 😉
 
Respect lizards views but I expect somewhere in the region of 1 in every 1000 Boro fans would have that opinion. This squad is down to the bare bones. The fact were even near the play offs is a miracle. If you would have told me last season under Woodgate that Bola and Dijksteel would eventually look like good footballers I wouldn't have believed you. That is all down to one man. Neil Warnock.
 
The_Lizards_Jumpers said:
Not a wind up, and perhaps I'm making it a bit black and white, but I really don't get the fuss over Warnock and don't think he's done an amazing job, an OK one certainly but nothing special IMO.

As I say, I also don't think he's a likable bloke, but understand that some on here have got a teenage girl like crush on the man - I don't get that either.
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I tend to agree. I think he's done ok but still hasn't solved the big issues. He has signed a few players that weren't needed - Hall, Morsy, Roberts, a goalie. No goalscorer though.

I hate him haranguing refs though. They make mistakes - like the guy on sunday - but it doesn't help to abuse them. In fact it probably has the opposite effect.

I'm sure there's someone out there who would want to come, can motivate players and can find a striker that can kick it straight.
 
coluka said:
You don't like him, yet say you have never met him and call him whatever lay behind the asterisks you used. You do judge him so unfairly. I accept thats your right though. I guarantee he’d have you won over in 20 minutes in his company. As for your teenage crush comment, you mean like you with your sad defence of Mowbray after the Sunday game? 🤔
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There's a world of difference between defending a club legend from being called a weasel and fawning over a manager, who's been around for 10 minutes, like a teenager over a pop star.

His constant blame of referees for his mistakes, or other teams for playing weakened teams, or deliberately getting a game called off, or stupid comments about Brexit suggest it would take more than 20 minutes for me to be won over by him.

I'll hoof this thread in a few months when some of the lovestruck teenagers on here start braying for his sacking and remind them of their comments.
 
18MFC76 said:
Respect lizards views but I expect somewhere in the region of 1 in every 1000 Boro fans would have that opinion. This squad is down to the bare bones. The fact were even near the play offs is a miracle. If you would have told me last season under Woodgate that Bola and Dijksteel would eventually look like good footballers I wouldn't have believed you. That is all down to one man. Neil Warnock.
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Did he sign them like ? Surely we should thank Woodgate for signing them?
 
Think we are probably his last job in football, and he's in it to get one last promotion before retirement (probably as we go up to allow for someone to keep us in the Prem, although Neil may not be able to resist one last punt at survival). Only club I could see him ever going to from us is Sheff U to change the record and too many bridges are burned for that one to happen.
 
The_Lizards_Jumpers said:
Did he sign them like ? Surely we should thank Woodgate for signing them?
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Woodgate with all due respect to the man didn't really have any knowledge of football beyond what he was told position-wise as a player (ironically he only really played under one top class, tactically astute manager - Bobby Robson down the road - O'Leary didn't really have a style beyond pound signs at Leeds, Real were a revolving door of gaffers when he was there, 'Arry has been hit and miss, Southgate was pre love train and he barely played under Pulis, Mogga or Aitor) No tactical nous, no plans, no real intent or anything. Just an embarrassing mess and a recruitment network he didn't have a clue how to navigate. Half get the feeling he only got the job because Jokanovic legged it to Qatar before we could say, "Well, Mr Bausor says there won't be much of a transfer budget this summer!"
 
Soutra said:
I tend to agree. I think he's done ok but still hasn't solved the big issues. He has signed a few players that weren't needed - Hall, Morsy, Roberts, a goalie. No goalscorer though.
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How's he meant to solve the big issues when he's not given a great deal of funds to sign players?

Roberts was here before Warnock, and the wheels were put in motion to bring him back this season before Warnock arrived.

Hall was a signing put in motion before Warnock joined too.

Bettinelli, Akpom and Morsy are Warnock signings, Akpom and Morsy were absolutely needed. We are very short in depth in the midfield and up top.

He's had less than £3m to spend on Akpom and Morsy, the rest have been loans and frees, and neither were his first choice signings.
We missed out on Kieffer Moore and the midfielder I've forgotten the name of.
 
adammarc_98 said:
Woodgate with all due respect to the man didn't really have any knowledge of football beyond what he was told as a player. No tactical nous, no plans, no real intent or anything. Just an embarrassing mess and a recruitment network he didn't have a clue how to navigate. Half get the feeling he only got the job because Jokanovic legged it to Qatar before we could say, "Well, Mr Bausor says there won't be much of a transfer budget this summer!"
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I'm not arguing with any of that, but the fact remains he identified and signed two players who people are now raving about - surely he must get the credit for some of that ?
 
TeaCider said:
How's he meant to solve the big issues when he's not given a great deal of funds to sign players?

Roberts was here before Warnock, and the wheels were put in motion to bring him back this season before Warnock arrived.

Hall was a signing put in motion before Warnock joined too.

Bettinelli, Akpom and Morsy are Warnock signings, Akpom and Morsy were absolutely needed. We are very short in depth in the midfield and up top.

He's had less than £3m to spend on Akpom and Morsy, the rest have been loans and frees, and neither were his first choice signings.
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Important to recognise too that Roberts was a Woodgate holdover who looked good in a side down the bottom of the league but was never going to fit into the plans of a side aiming any higher, and was literally signed solely to provide depth.
 
The_Lizards_Jumpers said:
I'm not arguing with any of that, but the fact remains he identified and signed two players who people are now raving about - surely he must get the credit for some of that ?
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Very easy to look at two League One defenders showing class at that level and pinpoint them for solid Championship status from afar. The proof is in the difference between how they were motivated under Woodgate and Warnock. Woodgate clearly saw that potential on the same level as our recruitment team, but didn't really have a clue how to bring them to that level. Warnock seems to have oiled them into something resembling the finished article, with plenty of growth still ahead of them, just with that extra bit of getgo and basic understanding on how to manage players into something resembling class. Warnock has always done it for defenders - Craig Short, Jagielka, Sol Bamba, etc.
 
The_Lizards_Jumpers said:
Not a wind up, and perhaps I'm making it a bit black and white, but I really don't get the fuss over Warnock and don't think he's done an amazing job, an OK one certainly but nothing special IMO.

As I say, I also don't think he's a likable bloke, but understand that some on here have got a teenage girl like crush on the man - I don't get that either.
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Fair enough, I disagree but not a ridiculous opinion.

Judging him on league performance without context just seemed a bit far fetched and I know you're a sensible guy, hence suspecting you might have been pulling a few legs on that one!
 
TeaCider said:
How's he meant to solve the big issues when he's not given a great deal of funds to sign players?

Roberts was here before Warnock, and the wheels were put in motion to bring him back this season before Warnock arrived.

Hall was a signing put in motion before Warnock joined too.

Bettinelli, Akpom and Morsy are Warnock signings, Akpom and Morsy were absolutely needed. We are very short in depth in the midfield and up top.

He's had less than £3m to spend on Akpom and Morsy, the rest have been loans and frees, and neither were his first choice signings.
We missed out on Kieffer Moore and the midfielder I've forgotten the name of.
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OK, I bow to your superior knowledge about Roberts and Co. But surely the priority was a striker (if it wasn't, it should have been), so anyone else signed would reduce the budget for a striker. He should have signed the striker first, then spent whatever was left on other players.

He's supposed to have good contacts but despite him saying two signings were "all agreed", neither is happening. So they weren't all agreed after all.

So let's see what happens next. If he's going to leave, it would better sooner rather than later, to give someone new some time before next season.
 
Soutra said:
OK, I bow to your superior knowledge about Roberts and Co. But surely the priority was a striker (if it wasn't, it should have been), so anyone else signed would reduce the budget for a striker. He should have signed the striker first, then spent whatever was left on other players.
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He clearly tried to.
The club pushed heavily to sign Kieffer Moore, but he joined Cardiff on the 13th of August.

Reported that we tried to sign Lyndon Dykes, but he signed for QPR on the 19th of August.

Yaya Sonogo failed his medical on the 9th of September, he'd been mentioned for weeks before that.

We apparently spent 3 weeks trying to sign Akpom, and he finally arrived on the 19th of September.

We didn't sign Morsy till the 11th of September, and that was after multiple failures to sign a striker and then finally having Akpom in the pipeline.

The season started on the 4th of September, so it wouldn't make sense to avoid all over signings until a striker came in, given how troublesome it clearly was to get one in.
 
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