I’m officially worried now

Alwaysaborolad said:
Problem with that is Connolly was Wilders choice, and it proves how pig headed, stubborn he is, kept playing Connolly week in week out, and he was plain awful.
This season he was going to move on Watmore, and only kept him because we didn't sign another striker,and he was the only spark last night.
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Yep. Keep seeing comments that Wilders been let down by the recruitment, or that we shouldn't be wasting money on players he doesn't want.

Maybe he and us should give the recruitment the benefit of the doubt. They're the same scouting set up that identified Muniz and now we all wish they'd forced that transfer through when they could.
 
I’m worried too, but can’t see how changing the manager again will help. Mindset needs to change now from expecting to roll over teams to appreciating we need to pick up as many points as possible to avoid a relegation scrap, pleased we saw some of that last night. The midfield is what it is and maybe we’ll need to change shape to get the best out of what we have as our wing backs are more wingers than defenders. Otherwise change personnel and perhaps give Jones a rest and bring in Smith as a more defensive minded player?
 
Jedi boro said:
Not worried about going down but worried that this side really is poor esp in mf as we have no options or at least we won’t use them.

I’m worried wilder won’t accept it’s not working and change it.
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I‘m not worried at all that he is unaware of the shortcomings. He’s been a fairly successful manager in the past. If he can’t get some positive results by November then he goes and we get yet another in. But I think he’s been given a very difficult task with the recuitment activity (for whatever reasons they may be).
 
Zoophonic said:
I‘m not worried at all that he is unaware of the shortcomings. He’s been a fairly successful manager in the past. If he can’t get some positive results by November then he goes and we get yet another in. But I think he’s been given a very difficult task with the recuitment activity (for whatever reasons they may be).
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But he doesn’t use the players we bring in Forrs hoppe try them at least.
 
Jedi boro said:
Exactly so use players in mf

Watmore in central mf hoppe and muniz up top etc

Could it be any worse.
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Well one thing I do agree with is how disappointing Mowatt has been. So it seems has CW who dropped him last night from the starting line up. Crooks for me is an issue now. I know he has scored some goals from mf but what he contributes at the moment doesn’t look anywhere near good enough.
 
Jedi boro said:
After the debacle of Tuesday night I was expecting to see a big reaction on the pitch and it never came yes it was better but it was still pretty flat.

Where’s the anger
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I think after Karanka leaving, and the disastrous PL season in 16-17, the fans have continually been promised things which haven't been delivered on the pitch.

We've had flashes of excitement - Traore springs to mind - soundbites, promises from managers, but nothing apart from half a season or so here and there. A few purple patches followed by dips.

Fans I think are just a bit flat with the club generally, not just the last few games.

Karanka was the last manager all the fans were behind, worked both ways as the performances on the pitch generated excitement with the fans. Since 17 it's been mixed to say the least.
 
Zoophonic said:
I‘m not worried at all that he is unaware of the shortcomings. He’s been a fairly successful manager in the past. If he can’t get some positive results by November then he goes and we get yet another in. But I think he’s been given a very difficult task with the recuitment activity (for whatever reasons they may be).
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I don't think there has been anything wrong with the recruitment policy really. We can't force players to come here, it's a difficult part of world to attract players to, we don't have the financial clout we used have back in the days of the UEFA Cup adventures and he's not playing the players brought in. How are the likes of Forss and Hoppe supposed to hot the ground running when they aren't been given many minutes to integrate into the team?
 
rbmfc1985 said:
Without loan players we still have a side which should be comfortably mid table. In fact, we still have the bulk of the side that ended up just outside of the playoffs last year.

We could have the below side with no loan players:

Roberts
Jones
Dijksteel
Fry
Clarke
Bola
Crooks
Howson
McGree
Watmore
Forss

Many sides in this division would kill for that team.

Whilst I hope Wilder can turn things around, I think that a) his unwillingness/inability to change his style to suit the players we have and b) his public criticism of players for being unable to do what he wants is hurting us.
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Where's the midfield steel, creativity, goals in that team?

It's been a manager merry-go-round over the last few years, with the constants being the individuals upstairs. Warnock, Pulis, Wilder are relatively big name managers for this division yet we're no further forward. Monk was the last manager that was properly backed, but he was completely out of his depth. I don't know if that experience has left a bad taste in the mouth, but we either back a manager and progress, or we don't and we regress.
 
Randy said:
I don't think there has been anything wrong with the recruitment policy really. We can't force players to come here, it's a difficult part of world to attract players to, we don't have the financial clout we used have back in the days of the UEFA Cup adventures and he's not playing the players brought in. How are the likes of Forss and Hoppe supposed to hot the ground running when they aren't been given many minutes to integrate into the team?
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I agree. It’s not for want of trying but as I say for whatever reason, and I think this is where we don’t have a consensus as fans, is why our targets are choosing not to come to the Club. Money (probably) area (possibly)
 
Jedi boro said:
After the debacle of Tuesday night I was expecting to see a big reaction on the pitch and it never came yes it was better but it was still pretty flat.

Where’s the anger
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Exactly this, a tad better than the Cardiff game but after listening to Wilders presser, I genuinely thought we would see a marked improvement, more bite, steel, determination but same flat performance, which to me, makes me think that Wilder can use spin in his pressers but no real substance to what he is saying, it is all going very sour, very quickly.
 
Jedi boro said:
Not worried about going down
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I'm not having a go and appreciate we have different views on Wilder but if you aren't worried about relegation then what are you worried about?

I can't think over the last 20 years I've ever been 'worried' that we might not finish in the top 6 of the league. What will be will be, it is the nature of sport. As long as we don't go down we'll just go again.
 
h_m_boro said:
I think Gibson is a bit concerned he will get the reputation for being a chairman who happily sacks managers after two defeats. The northern Watford. Wilder goes and the new manager will be manager No. 7 since Karanka "left" March 17 (8 if you include Craig Liddle.......)
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I though the Morison comments were extremely disrespectful - tactically they did a proper job on us first half. Someone on twitter broke the Cardiff tactics down in pictures and there was no arguments. We were done good and proper. But Wilder couldn't even hold his hands up, instead had a dig at Morison - poor, very poor.
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I’d take the last 5 or so seasons Watford have had over ours any day of the week
 
For me if your going down this development player route you have to be all in.

You had to buy payero and give him the full season selected week in week out to now be in a position where we are better for it this year.

You have to commit and play hoppe and forss this season often for them to 'develop quicker' then even if this year is a disaster we are potentially in a stronger position next year.

At this rate the season will be a right off, the development players will have had little game time so we won't trust them going into next year.

Short term pain for long term gain.
 
Jedi boro said:
Do you think it’s a happy ship then.

And why can’t hoppe get a spot on the bench at least and that’s with akpom being there either so when he’s fit hoppe has even less chance.
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No I don’t think it’s a happy ship. I’d hope they aren’t a happy bunch, given the results.
Who knows why Hoppe can’t get a place on the bench *yet? Maybe not match fit, maybe not good enough, maybe tactically Wilder wanted different positions covered on the bench? Maybe he’s got a niggle? Maybe giving him time to settle in? Maybe he doesn’t suit the system and so is being eased in and acclimatised to it slowly, rather than chucking him in at the deep end? Did he play much last year? Lots of possible reasons.
What I don’t think though, is that he’s so good and will save the day but Wilder isn’t picking him, despite clearly being under pressure to get results, just so he can stick two fingers up at the recruitment team.
 
FabioPorkpie said:
No I don’t think it’s a happy ship. I’d hope they aren’t a happy bunch, given the results.
Who knows why Hoppe can’t get a place on the bench *yet? Maybe not match fit, maybe not good enough, maybe tactically Wilder wanted different positions covered on the bench? Maybe he’s got a niggle? Maybe giving him time to settle in? Maybe he doesn’t suit the system and so is being eased in and acclimatised to it slowly, rather than chucking him in at the deep end? Did he play much last year? Lots of possible reasons.
What I don’t think though, is that he’s so good and will save the day but Wilder isn’t picking him, despite clearly being under pressure to get results, just so he can stick two fingers up at the recruitment team.
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Wilder could easily tell us why Hoppe isn’t in the squad - and, frankly, should
 
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