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WeeGord said:
I find him remarkably frustrating and the more time passes the more frustrating he becomes. It is exactly as you say, he sometimes posts very decent stuff on non political threads and yet when he posts political stuff it is so completely Tory biased and its almost like he gets a kick out of getting people riled with his ridiculous hard right posts.

On Christmas Day I sent him a private message because we'd had a few words on a thread the previous couple of days. I don't like bad feeling so privately messaged to hold out an olive branch and to wish him and his family a Merry Christmas and he didn't even acknowledge it with a 'like' or a quick return message.

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Randy said:
His mask is slipping that's for sure.

As for the story in the original post, I'm sure the authorities will come and agreement will be met that suits all parties. This story is just another distraction technique from a media infested with wrong UN's everywhere you turn.

As for the comment that said we were instrumental in causing the scenario that they needed to seek refuge here, I find that incorrect and laughable really. What did that poster expect the Americans to do after 9/11? Sit back and take it? That was absolutely not going to happen. As for the UK joining in with the 'fight against terror' we are an ally of America. Oh and we weren't the only country that joined the Americans in trying to eradicate the Taliban but that doesn't suit the narrative does it?
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I will always try to stand up for what is right, this thread is awful and the OP wants to be ashamed and you should join him.


@WeeGord you are a bigger man than me, kudos to you mate.
 
It is not an unprecedented immigration issue, it is just being reported as such. Never mind the higher numbers of immigration this country had in the last century (prior to entering the EU project and after) but comparatively to the rest of Europe we take in far less than our peers.

You have been riled up because you don't know enough about the issues both currently or historically. You also have a bizarre belief that people should "get what what they are given" that is not how society should aspire to act. The Afghans fought with us against the Taliban, we should be doing whatever we can to help these people. They didn't choose London, they where placed there, they are now being uprooted once settled, and are wanting to return to where they settled. That is not fair on that family and especially on those children.

I have taught in school transitory student suffer in their education, children need stability and just because they have come here from a war torn country doesn't mean we should offer them any less of an opportunity than any other HUMAN BEING in this country.

You need to reassess your values, stop buying the spin and show some effing compassion for others.
FatCat said:
Thanks. It’s really nothing to do with politics or Tories, I’m much simpler than that. I just read that article and was angry that taxpayers money is being used to sue the very people who have offered them refuge including a roof over their head and education. It feels like a kick in the teeth. Is their situation ideal ? Evidently not, it’s better than the one they have recently came from but I don’t argue that they shouldn’t want the best for themselves. I would be interested to see what discussions have been held what solutions offered prior to this litigation.

My old man always used to say don’t bite the hand that feeds you and I just think this applies here.

The bit that annoys me also is the lawyers determination to get them back to london, we don’t know enough but i would be interested to see if they were given education in their new residence whether they will continue the fight to be in london. As mentioned if you are given support I don’t think you should then dictate or challenge how/where that support is given.

We have many issues as a country, we have an unprecedented immigration issue, we don’t have enough houses available for everybody so to start dictating what you must have feels wrong to me. As mentioned I’m sure some nurses would love a place in london but likely can’t afford it!

We can and will blame the government of the day but I’m sure some of these problems will be around whoever is in charge.

Anyway it does seem that I have upset a few people so I can only apologise for that.

Re your Christmas message I did get that and it was much appreciated, I’m a bit behind so will get you a reply out as soon as I can.rat
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JonnyHistory said:
It is not an unprecedented immigration issue, it is just being reported as such. Never mind the higher numbers of immigration this country had in the last century (prior to entering the EU project and after) but comparatively to the rest of Europe we take in far less than our peers.

You have been riled up because you don't know enough about the issues both currently or historically. You also have a bizarre belief that people should "get what what they are given" that is not how society should aspire to act. The Afghans fought with us against the Taliban, we should be doing whatever we can to help these people. They didn't choose London, they where placed there, they are now being uprooted once settled, and are wanting to return to where they settled. That is not fair on that family and especially on those children.

I have taught in school transitory student suffer in their education, children need stability and just because they have come here from a war torn country doesn't mean we should offer them any less of an opportunity than any other HUMAN BEING in this country.

You need to reassess your values, stop buying the spin and show some effing compassion for others.
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They had been in london one year hardly long enough to lay down roots , to move in between the first and the second year of their GCSEs is not ideal yet the gvt are trying to find them a permanent place to live. It hardly warrants taking them to court.
 
FatCat said:
They had been in london one year hardly long enough to lay down roots , to move in between the first and the second year of their GCSEs is not ideal yet the gvt are trying to find them a permanent place to live. It hardly warrants taking them to court.
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What has putting down roots got to do with it and why advocate uprooting the kids after a year all after they had their whole life uproot? They want stabilitybfor their children if thats not worth fighting for wtf is?
 
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Randy - again....
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Rob I'm trying to tamper down flare ups that have occurred in this thread.
The treatment of these students is not good, shocking in fact. But they will be allowed to finish their education at a school of their choosing and continue to live in an area of the country with their parents where their parents want to live.
The government/council/authorities whoever aren't going to uproot them and shift them on hopefully.
 
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FatCat said:
They had been in london one year hardly long enough to lay down roots , to move in between the first and the second year of their GCSEs is not ideal yet the gvt are trying to find them a permanent place to live. It hardly warrants taking them to court.
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What do you say to those Afghans who risked their lives for our soldiers?
What price do you place on life?
Are the Afghans less worthy than the Ukranians or those from Hong Kong for instance?
 
Let me make this relatable for you. Your kids just started a new school, after a year the school say they have to leave and find a new school•
Your kids will lose all the friends they've made, topics taught in the curriculum do differ from school to school so there is a good chance that they will be behind the other kids once moved.

You would not want that for your kids at all and you I would like to think fight that. So never mind moving 300 miles from where you live just the impact of the school issue should be enough for you to show a shred of empathy

Stop doubling down on stupidity and callousness and try put yourself in those parents shoes and what you would do for your kids. You don't know enough a out the nuance of schooling and immigration and that's ok, but you need to show awareness of that and not jump to these types of opinions that are full of hatred and bile
 
r00fie1 said:
What do you say to those Afghans who risked their lives for our soldiers?
What price do you place on life?
Are the Afghans less worthy than the Ukranians or those from Hong Kong for instance?
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I have no opinion really - people are trying to turn this into a race issue , I’ve never once mentioned country of origin. I don’t care about that I just think we are trying to help people and they are turning on the people helping them and demanding more.
 
FatCat said:
I have no opinion really - people are trying to turn this into a race issue , I’ve never once mentioned country of origin. I don’t care about that I just think we are trying to help people and they are turning on the people helping them and demanding more.
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No they are asking for stability and not to be used as a political football that be carried about the country on a whim just to rile up people like yourself who don't know or care enough about the situation to have a real opinion on it
 
FatCat said:
I have no opinion really - people are trying to turn this into a race issue , I’ve never once mentioned country of origin. I don’t care about that I just think we are trying to help people and they are turning on the people helping them and demanding more.
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You must have an opinion.
Would you rather they hadnt help protect British lives.
We contributed in creation of the diaspora of refugees in Afghan and the Middle East.
They are not sub-human.
You might wish to deny these people their rights,
but I didnt notice you complaining about them sacrificing theirs to protect our soldiers?
 
JonnyHistory said:
No they are asking for stability and not to be used as a political football that be carried about the country on a whim just to rile up people like yourself who don't know or care enough about the situation to have a real opinion on it
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So you really honestly believe that’s why they are being moved - as a political football.They are being moved because there is not enough accommodation where they were, plus the idea has always been to distribute across the country.
 
FatCat said:
So you really honestly believe that’s why they are being moved - as a political football.They are being moved because there is not enough accommodation where they were, plus the idea has always been to distribute across the country.
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They where in accommodation! If they where in temporary accommodation then you may have a point but they had a settled home and the child in question was settled at school
They would not have forced a re housing on a British family so yes it is political
Please read my post sure so try make it relatable to you maybe if yiu imagine how changingschools for your kids would impact them might give you a shred of empathy for this family
 
FatCat said:
So you really honestly believe that’s why they are being moved - as a political football.They are being moved because there is not enough accommodation where they were, plus the idea has always been to distribute across the country.
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Moving a family triple times is not distributing it's 're distributing and that upheaval is hard on kids never mind kids escaping a war zone
Seriously who hurt you?
 
r00fie1 said:
You must have an opinion.
Would you rather they hadnt help protect British lives.
We contributed in creation of the diaspora of refugees in Afghan and the Middle East.
They are not sub-human.
You might wish to deny these people their rights,
but I didnt notice you complaining about them sacrificing theirs to protect our soldiers?
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JonnyHistory said:
They where in accommodation! If they where in temporary accommodation then you may have a point but they had a settled home and the child in question was settled at school
They would not have forced a re housing on a British family so yes it is political
Please read my post sure so try make it relatable to you maybe if yiu imagine how changingschools for your kids would impact them might give you a shred of empathy for this family
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As understand it they were moved from one temporary accommodation to another temporary accommodation and that is the basis for the legal challenge. If you go in the gvt website it does say that you will unlikely be given housing in london or the south east. It was always therefore likely that they would be moved. The solution now will be to find them permanent accommodation and schools.
 
FatCat said:
As understand it they were moved from one temporary accommodation to another temporary accommodation and that is the basis for the legal challenge. If you go in the gvt website it does say that you will unlikely be given housing in london or the south east. It was always therefore likely that they would be moved. The solution now will be to find them permanent accommodation and schools.
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You havent answered my questions.
You cant tell slaves they should be grateful for being enslaved.

First they came..............
 
FatCat said:
As understand it they were moved from one temporary accommodation to another temporary accommodation and that is the basis for the legal challenge. If you go in the gvt website it does say that you will unlikely be given housing in london or the south east. It was always therefore likely that they would be moved. The solution now will be to find them permanent acc
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They wherein a house as a family not a refugee centre
If yiur children where forced to move school mid GCSE you would fight it
What a heartless man you are
 
FatCat said:
That’s not true Johnny they were in one hotel and they were moved to another hotel.
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Can Somebody please explain how us ( The British ) caused Afghanistan to implode , I thought we assisted in helping the Country for 20 years by removing the Taliban ,just because the Afghan army allowed them back in should not reflect on us
 
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