How would you feel about Dyche becoming our manager ?

Pulis mk 2. Basically the same manager.

Very much the kind of manager I could definitely see Gibbo going for in previous times - Middlesbrough-on-the-Calder - but I’d hope those days are gone with the idea of a Director of Football and an ongoing philosophy.

Not that we’ve seen much of this philosophy yet like.
 
Alzi said:
Very underrated and would be a brilliant appointment. Philosophy means b***r all if you can't recruit the players to implement it.
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that doesn't make any sense, because every manager has a philosophy even if they don't call it that. If we can't afford to buy the players for Wilders philosophy, we can't afford to buy them for Dyche's either
 
BoroMart said:
I don't have access to the club philosophy, so I can't. I know what a footballing philosophy is though and why it's important. I know that it will take time to transform the club to match that philosophy. It's a strategic transformation and that doesn't happen overnight, or in 12 months, can take 2,3 or 5 years to really get a philosophy embedded.
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We have a chairman who now doesn't trust the manager, any manager, to implement that philosophy and seems he'll bent on Scott and Bausor to be the ones who do it.
 
I stopped going under Pulis as I couldn't stomach watching that style of football. It was like a cross with rugby in terms of kicking for territory and set peices, it was turgid, attritional and, for me, unwatchable.

Dyche would just be the second coming of that so his appointment would be a massive no from me.
 
BoroMart said:
that doesn't make any sense, because every manager has a philosophy even if they don't call it that. If we can't afford to buy the players for Wilders philosophy, we can't afford to buy them for Dyche's either
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The bigger question is has Wilder got the ability to make our squad more than the sum of its parts. Can he adapt his tactics to play to the strengths of our squad? Big question marks over that for me. We aren't going to be able to compete financially with clubs dropping from the PL.

Forest were probably faced with a similar dilemma with Houghton last season after their crap start. Houghton has previously had great success in this league but something just wasn't working. As the weeks go by, I'm worried we have a similar situation here. (I'm not comparing Dyche to Cooper)
 
indeedido said:
For some balance here, Burnley is the size of Darlington and surrounded by bigger football clubs and places.
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Fair point, but Burnley is also commutable from Liverpool, Machester and Leeds etc, and also probably had access to some local talent which can't make squads for those teams, but wanted to stay in the area, especially when in the prem etc. I bet most players see Burnley as a more attractive place to live than Boro (I wouldn't mind, but I'm older).

It's mad that Gibson was his most expensive purchase o_O

He inherited Mee, Trippier, Ings, Stanislas, Vokes, Austin, sure he might have improved them, but hard to say whether that was him, the coaches or natural development etc, either way they were all good enough for the prem, by the time they got to the prem.

He did well keeping them in the prem, but I don't remember many of the major signings doing that well other than Wood (which you imagine he approved them all?), but some of the cheaper players did really well, which may come more down to scouting? Hard to say with recruitment, but he did well making the most of good players, and lessening the impact of bad ones.
 
Alzi said:
The bigger question is has Wilder got the ability to make our squad more than the sum of its parts. Can he adapt his tactics to play to the strengths of our squad? Big question marks over that for me. We aren't going to be able to compete financially with clubs dropping from the PL.
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given enough time then yes, of course he could.

I'm hoping Gibson gets back to the Gibson of the Robson and McClaren era, where he supported his managers in a longer term vision, rather than the more trigger happy version of recent years. We are on our 5th permanent manager in 5 years. Robson, McClaren and Southgate got 15 years between them. We've become Watford, immediate success or jetison
 
Personally I'd like to go with Ex player....it seems to work well with us. Granted Woodgate didn't go so well but I reckon Reiziger or Leadbitter would be good options
 
Andy_W said:
Fair point, but Burnley is also commutable from Liverpool, Machester and Leeds etc, and also probably had access to some local talent which can't make squads for those teams, but wanted to stay in the area, especially when in the prem etc. I bet most players see Burnley as a more attractive place to live than Boro (I wouldn't mind, but I'm older).

It's mad that Gibson was his most expensive purchase o_O

He inherited Mee, Trippier, Ings, Stanislas, Vokes, Austin, sure he might have improved them, but hard to say whether that was him, the coaches or natural development etc, either way they were all good enough for the prem, by the time they got to the prem.

He did well keeping them in the prem, but I don't remember many of the major signings doing that well other than Wood (which you imagine he approved them all?), but some of the cheaper players did really well, which may come more down to scouting? Hard to say with recruitment, but he did well making the most of good players, and lessening the impact of bad ones.
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I'm not saying I desperately want rid of Wilder and I'm not saying that I want Dyche as manager.
All I was doing for balance was putting into perspective the brilliant job Dyche did at Burnley who are a small club in a very small place.
 
Oh I’m evangelical about the job Dyche did at Burnley, thought he did a fantastic job. And wasn’t a one season wonder like a few other promoted managers, year on year they’d go through a really sticky patch like no wins in 15 and he’d turn it around with the same players and the same system. There were about three times when they were in serious trouble and any normal manager would have got fired, but he turned it around. That impressed me a lot.

Just think if he took over here it would be a return to the Stone Age. I rate him big time as a manager, I wouldn’t welcome him here.
 
The problem is the club have brought players in that CW clearly doesn’t want, and failed to get all the ones in that he did - he’s obviously not a happy chappie and I’d be quite surprised if he sees the season out here
 
It's a NO from me.
Mind you if we were to get a new manager this season his main objective will probably be to keep us up, the long term strategy/type of football philosophy will be going out of the window in those circumstances.
 
I went to turf moor a few times when we played Burnley under Dyche, his football was awful.

Anyone within 10 yards of their centre back and the ball was launched into to the channel or row Z. Set pieces saw all the big defenders going up the pitch and it was just launched into the mixer.

Its percentages football, very similar to the Pulis philosophy. I know results wise he was brilliant but there's no way I'd be paying money to watch that.

I remember thinking under Pulis that this isn't even football, it was literally removing all joy and flair out of the game. Football is moving on from these dinosaurs.
 
Yesterdays_Jam said:
Personally I'd like to go with Ex player....it seems to work well with us. Granted Woodgate didn't go so well but I reckon Reiziger or Leadbitter would be good options
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My mate went to school with Leadbitter. Said he was always a good player but he wasn't the brightest. Similar to Woodgate I think it would be a failure. The era of inspirational leaders being good managers is in the past. The game is so technical now that you need someone intelligent to be managing otherwise they can't spot when changes are made and when/how to react. I'm starting to think Wilder is a bit like that. He's not a moron or anything but he has 1 idea and sticks to it. When things aren't going well they fall apart before he's noticed and reacted.

I still can't believe Gibson could personally know Woodgate and still give him the managers job. He's supposed to be a businessman. Does he not think that having something between the ears is important for anyone running anything?
 
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