Have to laugh at the stick Lineker and Gary Neville get on social media/Twitter

zzzzz said:
Easy to have principles when you're already a multi-millionaire.
They'd have garnered a lot more respect if they'd have refused to go.
As others have said both have them are politically vocal when it suits them.
Smacks of hypocricy to me.
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I get that but I disagree.

The Danish squad are taking a stand l, but still going to play there. I think you can participate yet also make a point.
 
Maybe they should go and donate 50% of their fee to human rights charities. Deeds not words as the Suffragettes used to say.
 
equaliser said:
To the people piling on to the Garys for going to the World Cup: Will your new-found bleeding hearts result in you boycotting the televised games, I wonder...?

As if.
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I know it’s pretty long, but if you read the full thread people have said they’re not going to watch.
 
As much as I like Neville it’s a terrible decision on his behalf, and embarrassing listening to him try to defend it either.
It’s not like he was contractually obliged either, he accepted the work knowing exactly what’s gone on in the country
 
There's a lot of moralising going on here. I assume those calling them hypocrites are themselves boycotting the oil companies who make obscene profits in Qatar, yes?
 
he did the show for Sky RE the world cup , worker rights etc ......then took their money , have not ever known a World Cup with so little interest this close to it
 
HarryVegas said:
There's a lot of moralising going on here. I assume those calling them hypocrites are themselves boycotting the oil companies who make obscene profits in Qatar, yes?
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I think there is a clear difference here, boycotting various oil companies is probably impossible for most people without severely impacting on their lives. Neville doesn’t need to take that work if he feels so strongly against it, he will be sitting on tens of millions already. It’s nothing but greed on his part and extremely hypocritical
 
exiledinboro said:
You know what - watch that have I got news for you clip

The first question is how much money does Beckham get paid for promoting the Qatar state?

If Neville wanted change he wouldn’t giggle that question off and would be prepared to engage in it even if it cost him his friendship

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Spot on , then hislop does him again.......if it was a tory politician some would applaud it , but seems GN is immune from criticism ?
 
equaliser said:
I did read the article and I found it persuasive. That said, I agree with your basic point: foundational knowledge and skills are vital to a full iteration of 'higher level' skills; hence, yes, the views of those with no understanding of economics, history etc ARE less worthy than the views of those who have that perspective.
The reason I found the article persuasive is that the 'learning through creating' model is slowly being leeched out of education (if it ever really existed) in favour of a too-prescriptive hierarchical model which prioritises lower-order skills and is content (for all but the elite) to stop right there. There is precious little freedom to explore or create in education any more.
When I was 20 and picked up a guitar for the first time. I was shown two or three chords and within a week I was writing songs. Naturally, they were terrible; however, over the next few years I added more chords, more skill and reached a point where some were pretty good. This permitted me to hang out with one or two genuine musos, which quickly put me in my place. I realised I had no idea how to change key - or even what a key was. Not being able to draw on, say, a palette of useful bridging chords, meant my transitions were often clunky; I was still essentially clutching in the dark for inspiration, and that's probably why I never made it as a songwriter. Which is right? Plenty of people have made it with my limited set of skills, but most haven't. Similarly, if I'd never just picked up the axe and had a bash but instead sat in some boring music lesson where I'd transcribed and learned musical theory, I'd probably never have even hit a chord; I'd have missed out on a helluva lot of fun.
The essential problem is one of a pervasive culture of anti-intellectualism in this country that is exploited by a cynical political class, people like Gove with his 'had enough of experts'. It was Gove who, as Education Secretary, introduced an 'updated' curriculum which made GCSEs allegedly more "rigorous", eliminating 'softer' modes of assessment such as coursework and introducing (e.g.) the teaching of 'fronted adverbials' to 9 year olds. It was also responsible for my being able to get a full-time job that involves forcing would-be hairdressers who have failed their English GCSEs to do Imaginative Writing and analyse random nineteenth century texts. The national success rate for this endeavour is around 30%, and many will take and retake four of five times and still leave without their GCSE. It is an end point of educational futility, one man's vanity project.
What education should really be about, first and foremost, is engendering (and retaining) within children a love of learning, because if this love is retained, it eventually translates into a love and appreciation for the wider culture and its heritage. You love the poem long before you learn it contains things called fronted adverbials. Without this love, this loam if you like, the wider culture remains an alien imposed thing which does not belong to you and to which you do not belong. Fundamentally, this love begins, as the article says, through exploring, creating - and also being listened to.
Moreover, it takes place within an emotional context. Far too many children arrive at school in a traumatised state - through poverty, dysfunctional family structures - whereupon school, primarily secondary school, traumatises them further! It is important to understand that the recent trend towards more discipline, more uniform, more rote learning and (basically) terror in the classroom, is the advance front in the Culture War: a direct and conscious assault on the liberal permissive culture that the Right believes was embedded by comprehensive education. Education should not be expected to solve social ills, but nor should it add to them.
The key hierarchy in education is Maslow's hierarchy of needs. To many children arrive in school with their basic survival/safety/love needs compromised. To expect 'self actualisation' in this context is absurd.
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absolutely spot on, we don't educate people to love learning, we don't ensure their maslow needs are met so they are mentally and emotionally primed to learn.
 
HarryVegas said:
There's a lot of moralising going on here. I assume those calling them hypocrites are themselves boycotting the oil companies who make obscene profits in Qatar, yes?
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Indeed. Lots of hypocrisy calling out hypocrisy on this thread. I’m guilty of it too sadly.
 
JM14 said:
The players have to be there for the sake of their careers, Neville doesn’t. He will be there because they are giving him millions to appear
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Neville not have a media career then?

Same principle, all they're by choice which is fine with me.
 
Jonny Ingbar said:
Neville not have a media career then?

Same principle, all they're by choice which is fine with me.
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If Neville didn't go to Qatar to work for beIN Sports, his media career in the UK would not be impacted.
He's one of the main pundits for Sky, and a good one, he's set in that regard.

He's went to work for Qatar out of greed.

Going there has damaged his reputation though.
 
He's a very wealthy man is Gary, his media career and property empire are both doing very well - he doesn't need the money.

So coming back to the UK in December with a nice cheque to pay into the bank, then continuing his jibes at the Tories.......going to stink the place out with his hypocrisy.

Unless he makes his Qatar objections known on air ......which I'm pretty sure there will be clauses aplenty in his contract prohibiting him from doing this.

But ..... Neville goes rogue.......nah.
 
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