Gyokores?

I can say it with confidence having watched us spunk money on ***** overpriced strikers since the days of Andy Payton. Other teams spend the money wisely on building a team. We stick it all on some flash bloke up front, who surprise surprise turns out to be *****. Again and again and again.
 
Sheriff_John_Bunnell_ret said:
I can say it with confidence having watched us spunk money on ***** overpriced strikers since the days of Andy Payton. Other teams spend the money wisely on building a team. We stick it all on some flash bloke up front, who surprise surprise turns out to be *****. Again and again and again.
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We are building a team.

We are doing so due to contract expiries and also hopefully a big fee for Spence and maybe another sale or 2. We are making sensible signings such as Lenihan and Giles, leaving us scope to make a marquee signing for a striker to score us the goals that we need. I understand the question marks around the signing to a degree but surely in the main it has to be one of excitement in the hope he can improve and fire us to promotion.
 
Sheriff_John_Bunnell_ret said:
Baffled given our history that anyone would want to spunk large amounts of cash on a striker. It never has worked and it never will work.
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But then what should be done? Spend peanuts and get someone who's not good enough? That's not really worked -apart from Mr Slaven of course. To get good value you need an excellent scouting set up, and ours has been demonstrably poor for years. Sometimes you have to back your judgement. I've seen a lot of Gyokeres this season. He seems the real deal to me, particularly at Championship level. Works hard, physical and difficult to shake off the ball, excellent touch, links up play and scores goals. Ok, not particulary fast, but not Jutkiewicz either. If he's available, and weve got the finance in place, it seems a no-brainer to me. After last season , and in the absence of a crack scouting network, we need to spend money on a striker and a goalkeeper.
 
Make your marquee signing a bloke who plays in midfield. They're cheaper. Having to sell Bamford, a bloke we bought for a reasonable amount of money to pay for assombalonga is still fresh in my mind. Every time we get a bit of money we don't have to spend it on some flash tart who got a few goals for a midtable team.
 
newyddion said:
A lot of folks seem to be hanging their hats on Gyokores being our main signing this summer. I mean he might be.. but maybe not (for whatever reason)
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Well I don't personally want him, its too big an investment and would screw us if it didn't work out, but from what I gather we seem to be selling spence to buy gyokores. Personally I'd take a few loans and then go after the guy (who's name escapes me) from league one at 250k
 
Jonny Ingbar said:
I think you missed my point, which more simply put, is that Spence is a more talented player, hence he's going to the EPL for more money that Gyorkores, who's moving to another championship club.
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Sorry for my slow reply.

I don't doubt that a club might try and get a few million extra if a CL team comes in for a player, but I don't accept that Spence would suddenly be worth less if he went to likely-strugglers Forest.

Most of the value is based on what the selling club thinks the player is worth to them.

The flip side to your argument is going to be the likely status of the player at that club. Spence could be in Spurs u23 next season, while Gyokores could be our main man.
 
exiledinboro said:
Surely it's part of football to throw money away

Look at Manchester United and the amount they spent on players
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Everton seems to be a prime example of that. They had spent a lump more than Liverpool over the last few seasons - let's think how that's turned out for them.
 
Frozen Horse said:
Sorry for my slow reply.

I don't doubt that a club might try and get a few million extra if a CL team comes in for a player, but I don't accept that Spence would suddenly be worth less if he went to likely-strugglers Forest.

Most of the value is based on what the selling club thinks the player is worth to them.

The flip side to your argument is going to be the likely status of the player at that club. Spence could be in Spurs u23 next season, while Gyokores could be our main man.
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I think we probably agree on the general point,which is that players find their own level and the more talented the player the higher up the football pyramid they'll play and, in turn, will fetch bigger fees in transfers and demand higher wages.

The value of any player at any given time is purely defined by what the buying club are prepared to pay for them - we, or any other club, can ask anything we want for a certain player, but until someone agrees to pay that its ultimately irrelevant.
 
Jedi boro said:
Yes that Ivan Toney was rubbish wasn’t he.

You can buy the sure thing but it will cost.
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I'm not sure what your point is. Ivan Toney cost a third of Britt assombalongas transfer fee. He was a good pick from lower down the league's and exactly what we should be looking for. Brentford are the epitome of buy low sell high. They don't spaff all their money away on useless goalhangers like Rhodes, assombalonga or McCormack.
 
Sheriff_John_Bunnell_ret said:
I'm not sure what your point is. Ivan Toney cost a third of Britt assombalongas transfer fee. He was a good pick from lower down the league's and exactly what we should be looking for. Brentford are the epitome of buy low sell high. They don't spaff all their money away on useless goalhangers like Rhodes, assombalonga or McCormack.
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Out of interest have you ever seen Gyokores play? As looking at him last season he would be a perfect fit for us. Not sure what you have against the signing
 
Sheriff_John_Bunnell_ret said:
I'm not sure what your point is. Ivan Toney cost a third of Britt assombalongas transfer fee. He was a good pick from lower down the league's and exactly what we should be looking for. Brentford are the epitome of buy low sell high. They don't spaff all their money away on useless goalhangers like Rhodes, assombalonga or McCormack.
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I think Toney was £ 5 million up front, going up to £10 million with add ons? I'd guess most of those have paid out.

I've been quite critical of the value of add ons for selling clubs, but I think they're quite good for buying clubs. They get the up front fee down, and you only pay out if the player turns out to be decent (usually). In short, you're happy if they kick in.
 
Sheriff_John_Bunnell_ret said:
I'm not sure what your point is. Ivan Toney cost a third of Britt assombalongas transfer fee. He was a good pick from lower down the league's and exactly what we should be looking for. Brentford are the epitome of buy low sell high. They don't spaff all their money away on useless goalhangers like Rhodes, assombalonga or McCormack.
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Brentford have a decent record in the transfer market, but you'd be wrong to think that they've picked up players for next to nothing - they've actually paid decent money for many players, including Toney, who will have cost them towards £10m I'm sure.

But many of them, Toney included, have proved good value, despite the relatively big investments in transfer fees. Its a well practiced model, but I'm not sure that we can compete with the same sort of transfer values currently and will be looking for more modest deals, including loans.
 
Diego said:
Out of interest have you ever seen Gyokores play? As looking at him last season he would be a perfect fit for us. Not sure what you have against the signing
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Nope. Just watch the Boro. Don't have a clue how good any of these players are who keep getting mentioned. Or how everyone knows so much about them. I've seen us spunk our money away on forwards enough times to know the value of buying a good midfielder.
While everyone was getting carried away with sporar last year I was pointing out that he had the same goalscoring record as assombalonga.
 
Sheriff_John_Bunnell_ret said:
Nope. Just watch the Boro. Don't have a clue how good any of these players are who keep getting mentioned. Or how everyone knows so much about them. I've seen us spunk our money away on forwards enough times to know the value of buying a good midfielder.
While everyone was getting carried away with sporar last year I was pointing out that he had the same goalscoring record as assombalonga.
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I live in warwick, so watched us at Cov, and a few of my Cov mates took me to a couple of other games this year. He looks good, better than what we have at the moment, but cov deffo played a system that suited him. We may too, I'm not saying he isn't worth the money, but we could tie up quite a few funds in this deal and if it didn't work out it could cost us for a few years. I'd personally rather go for the loans we've seen rumoured, and then look for a striker more modestly price on a permanent deal. Then we would hopefully have a bit in the coffers for the inevitable patching up that everyone always seems to need to do in January regardless of their summer business, the Glastonbury/ uwe fuchs effect
 
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