Going from bad to worse for the Labour Party

Londons_Moggie said:
I would argue that a term such as LGBT or BAME is an insult to the individuals. Grouping together individuals based on race and sexuality as one big homogeneous group was created by the left. The acceptance that a black personality should be grouped together with someone from say the Middle East as the same is one of the most awful things the left has pushed into society
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There is power in groups not individuals, it's about working together to defeat oppression.

It's the same as when factory workers worked together from different industries to defeat capitalist factory owners and gain some rights. LGBQT and BAME are not saying they are all the same, it is respecting their individuality in the name, it's purely a movement that tries to gain equality for all people facing the same oppression.
 
Londons_Moggie said:
The left defo control the Chinese internet. Data is all they care about. It’s a far left system. About is far left as you can go
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the chinese government control the chinese internet. just as western governments control western internets.

It's a tool, a tool that any government and commercial and political systems can exploit regardless of political leanings.
 
BoroMart said:
what you are describing here is that as the general public get more access to facts they become less right leaning.

Or to put it another way, the right (and by default the elite) can only exist and flourish by de-informing the populous through misinformation and lies. I agree.
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The nerds have taken over the world. The right aren’t the elite anymore. Tech billionaires are the elite and they influence a leftist mentality.
 
BoroMart said:
There is power in groups not individuals, it's about working together to defeat oppression.

It's the same as when factory workers worked together from different industries to defeat capitalist factory owners and gain some rights. LGBQT and BAME are not saying they are all the same, it is respecting their individuality in the name, it's purely a movement that tries to gain equality for all people facing the same oppression.
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It’s not acceptable. It is not respecting any individualism. It’s a mentality of “we’re white and straight” and you’re all the others so we’ll just bunch you all together. Deplorable mindset that in about 20 years society won’t accept
 
Londons_Moggie said:
It’s not acceptable. It is not respecting any individualism. It’s a mentality of “we’re white and straight” and you’re all the others so we’ll just bunch you all together. Deplorable mindset that in about 20 years society won’t accept
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that's exactly what it isn't.

It's using collective power to fight for equality as a group, pure and simple.

I hope it won't be acceptable because prejudices based on skin colour and sexuality will be no longer acceptable and therefore these groupings won't be required.
 
Clevo said:
Labour's problem is that it appeals/ed to two very different type voters. I'm sure I'll irk a few but here we go:

Socially Conservative White working class voters in the North and the Midlands that had been anti-immigration. Labour felt they could never support Brexit due to the undercurrent of why a lot of their core voters voted leave. The party became more Liberal but the voters didn't.

Middle class urban types that, yes, are very woke but are subconsciously anti-white working class and don't understand them. A lot of these are London based and born and with London's white working class all but gone the disconnect grows even bigger.

Labour can't please both but feels more in tune with the second group. I guess now they're trying to appear a little more socially Conservative to win over the first, hence Starmer and patriotism.

I think a bigger problem is Labour and the public they represent have changed, as has the wider socio-economic situation nationally. They're in a bit of a bind and I'm not sure how they get out of it. That's not even including losing Scotland.

Facing a huge and powerful right wing media doesn't help either.

Just my view.
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Spot on . They are snookered.
 
Londons_Moggie said:
No it isn’t. It is the acceptable terminology of racism. It’s mental that people can defend it. It’s appalling
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we will have to disagree on this. If you think that 'the left' are both fighting for equality through woke culture and at the same time perpetrating the worst kind of racism by using terms like BAME and LGBQT, while the right innocently look on in their mindset of blissful equality....well if you can square all that in your head, then my mind is blown.
 
BoroMart said:
we will have to disagree on this. If you think that 'the left' are both fighting for equality through woke culture and at the same time perpetrating the worst kind of racism by using terms like BAME and LGBQT, while the right innocently look on in their mindset of blissful equality....well if you can square all that in your head, then my mind is blown.
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The left isn’t one group of people just like the right isn’t. But for some reason the left has adopted a lazy terminology to define unique individuals as a collective group that are not the same as them. That is fundamentally wrong. I’m white and you’re not so I’ll just group you up with everyone else who doesnt look like me. I can’t understand why that has become acceptable it simply isn’t
 
Londons_Moggie said:
But for some reason the left has adopted a lazy terminology to define unique individuals as a collective group that are not the same as them.
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It's not lazy it's obvious and necessitous. The right is about the individual, about personal gain, the left is about working together for growth as a society. So the right has no need to group together for strength as a group, the left does.

Of course the right does create lazy groupings for negativity, scroungers, immigrants, single mothers, black criminal gangs, (muslim) terrorists etc.

The BAME grouping, is collecting together people that are racially oppressed, to work together. It is saying they are all victims of racial oppression, not that they should be! It isn't saying they are lessor, just that they are treated lessor. Same for LGBQT
 
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