Going from bad to worse for the Labour Party

BoroMart said:
It's not lazy it's obvious and necessitous. The right is about the individual, about personal gain, the left is about working together for growth as a society. So the right has no need to group together for strength as a group, the left does.

Of course the right does create lazy groupings for negativity, scroungers, immigrants, single mothers, black criminal gangs, (muslim) terrorists etc.

The BAME grouping, is collecting together people that are racially oppressed, to work together. It isn't saying they are lessor, just that they are treated lessor. Same for LGBQT
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I agree with u until the last paragraph. BAME is not giving a union to marginalised people it’s stripping them of their racial identity. It’s lazy beyond belief to group a person of Jamaican heritage with a person from Iraq who’s identity and cultural heritage is Kurdish. Only a moron would think they’re enough the same to group together
 
Londons_Moggie said:
I agree with u until the last paragraph. BAME is not giving a union to marginalised people it’s stripping them of their racial identity. It’s lazy beyond belief to group a person of Jamaican heritage with a person from Iraq who’s identity and cultural heritage is Kurdish. Only a moron would think they’re enough the same to group together
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Why is it stripping them, is it banning them from having their cultural individuality? Is it saying to join in with our BAME movement everyone has to wear the same cultural clothing? Or is it simply a mechanism to say, we are all oppressed, lets work together for all of us?

It's not denying the differences, it's recognising the issues all those communities face are the same. They are all denied opportunities, and face similar discrimination.
 
BoroMart said:
Why is it stripping them, is it banning them from having their cultural individuality? Is it saying to join in with our BAME movement everyone has to wear the same cultural clothing? Or is it simply a mechanism to say, we are all oppressed, lets work together for all of us?

It's not denying the differences, it's recognising the issues all those communities face are the same. They are all denied opportunities, and face similar discrimination.
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It’s nowt to do with oppression or what issues they share. A white bloke living next door to a Kurd both have the same socio economic problems but we don’t group him in with BAME because you identify that with skin colour. It’s not right
 
Londons_Moggie said:
It’s nowt to do with oppression or what issues they share. A white bloke living next door to a Kurd both have the same socio economic problems but we don’t group him in with BAME because you identify that with skin colour. It’s not right
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Apart from the white bloke you mention would be more likely to be employed and/or receive higher pay than someone of ethnic minority.
 
Chris_Boro said:
Apart from the white bloke you mention would be more likely to be employed and/or receive higher pay than someone of ethnic minority.
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Possibly it depends what the job is and what skills the individual has. Skin colour doesn’t define your ability to do a good job
 
Chris_Boro said:
Apart from the white bloke you mention would be more likely to be employed and/or receive higher pay than someone of ethnic minority.
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also from a sociological aspect the white bloke won't be bullied, harassed, abused and beaten for being 'different'.

Of course the Patel's at number 48, have also faced being underpaid for being non-white, and have also been racially abused, bullied and beaten like the kurdish family. Maybe they should put aside their individual cultural differences, and look at what they have in common and work together to solving racial equality issues?!
 
Londons_Moggie said:
Of course not I’m saying that if we are going to define individuals as one big group by skin colour unless they’re white then that is surely everything we should be fighting against.
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It's bringing them together as racially oppressed people, that is all
 
Londons_Moggie said:
Possibly it depends what the job is and what skills the individual has. Skin colour doesn’t define your ability to do a good job
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There's no possibility about it, you are less likely to achieve equal job opportunities or pay as someone who is of BAME origin than that of an equivalently skilled white person.
 
The biggest problem Labour has? They are viewed as ineffective and weak as an opposition. Until they fix this- be it reality or perception- they haven’t got a hope in hell of being in the position to form a government.
 
Nosmo-King said:
The biggest problem Labour has? They are viewed as ineffective and weak as an opposition. Until they fix this- be it reality or perception- they haven’t got a hope in hell of being in the position to form a government.
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How does a party show effective opposition?
 
Chris_Boro said:
There's no possibility about it, you are less likely to achieve equal job opportunities or pay as someone who is of BAME origin than that of an equivalently skilled white person.
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Im not disagreeing with that. I’ve had multiple mangers who are women or from a a different ethnic background. It makes no difference to me. I’m challenging your acceptable use of BAME. I think it’s fundamentally wrong
 
Londons_Moggie said:
Im not disagreeing with that. I’ve had multiple mangers who are women or from a a different ethnic background. It makes no difference to me. I’m challenging your acceptable use of BAME. I think it’s fundamentally wrong
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You're arguing against people uniting with a singular purpose against a common injustice.
 
Chris_Boro said:
You're arguing against people uniting with a singular purpose against a common injustice.
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No I’m not. Society has decided it can’t be bothered giving people their true identity and it’s easier to just group all non whites together or put anyone who’s not straight as a group.
 
Londons_Moggie said:
No I’m not. Society has decided it can’t be bothered giving people their true identity and it’s easier to just group all non whites together or put anyone who’s not straight as a group.
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Can't people be part of a BAME movement for social equality for all ethnic minorities AND continue to be an Indian and hindu, all at the same time?

Do you have to stop believing in your multiple-gods and fore sake Diwali to be allowed to get involved in the BAME movement and to believe in racial equality for all?
 
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