George Russell in a merc - tops both time sheets in practice

zorro_mfc

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How do you propose making it a drivers championship?

Edit: clever design has been an integral part of the sport at least since I started watching in the 80s.
It has but there’s too much influence over the car from the garage removing mapping is a start as that was farcical at times. Look at all the buttons on the steering wheel.

But I’d scrap drs tomorrow it creates fake racing and over taking.

I’d keep ERS as this allows for both attack and defence I’d scrap blue flags as well.

Btw I think the fact F1 is looking at over hauling itself for 2022 shows they realise there is an issue. it’s about racing it’s a sport at the end of the day it’s not a procession.

All this 30 sec lead crap and under cut over cut that’s not racing, when was the last time we saw genuine wheel to wheel racing at the sharp end of the GP by two different teams.
 

Chris_Boro

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It has but there’s too much influence over the car from the garage removing mapping is a start as that was farcical at times. Look at all the buttons on the steering wheel.

But I’d scrap drs tomorrow it creates fake racing and over taking.

I’d keep ERS as this allows for both attack and defence I’d scrap blue flags as well.

Btw I think the fact F1 is looking at over hauling itself for 2022 shows they realise there is an issue. it’s about racing it’s a sport at the end of the day it’s not a procession.

All this 30 sec lead crap and under cut over cut that’s not racing, when was the last time we saw genuine wheel to wheel racing at the sharp end of the GP by two different teams.

DRS is there to compensate the loss of downforce when trailing behind another car.

Blue flags are there to warn slower cars that there is a much faster one behind, it also is there to stop teams tactically impeeding leading cars. Also safety.

The issue being "overhauled" in 2022 is the cost of F1 racing and removing that barrier while also tweaking the design of cars to remove the loss of downforce when trailing other cars.

F1 will always need to change the rules on car design. Manufacturers will inevitably find the way to develop the best car within to rules and produce new technology to gain that 1% over other teams.

That will happen after 2022, its the nature of the sport.

Also on your claim of non competitiveness, remove Hamilton from this season and it will have been a really competitive season for top driver with lots of good racing in the mid field.

That just shows how good Hamilton is in consistently being better than everyone else, not just with raw speed but being able to preserve tyre wear and strategically plan his race.
 

JM14

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I’m not saying don’t use safety cars but as we now have the virtual one that should be used more often esp for minor things. Seeing any race end under a safety car is just pointless. In my opinion.

Its annoying but last Sunday they put the safety car out because Perez stopped on the track and the car was on fire, you cant just leave a car on track or let people recover it under full race conditions. Nothing they can do when an incident happens that close to the end of the race, not like they can just extend it by an extra lap after the safety car when the cars are already under fuelled for the race

I would love the blue flags to be scrapped but the reality will just end up with teams sacrificing the second driver to slow their rival down, which would just ruin the racing
 

zorro_mfc

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Its annoying but last Sunday they put the safety car out because Perez stopped on the track and the car was on fire, you cant just leave a car on track or let people recover it under full race conditions. Nothing they can do when an incident happens that close to the end of the race, not like they can just extend it by an extra lap after the safety car when the cars are already under fuelled for the race

I would love the blue flags to be scrapped but the reality will just end up with teams sacrificing the second driver to slow their rival down, which would just ruin the racing
Blocking would still be an offence though as it is now with intentional moves but it would mean they have to get past the car using ability.

Drs is there to create overtaking opportunities that have all but been engineered out.
 

zorro_mfc

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DRS is there to compensate the loss of downforce when trailing behind another car.

Blue flags are there to warn slower cars that there is a much faster one behind, it also is there to stop teams tactically impeeding leading cars. Also safety.

The issue being "overhauled" in 2022 is the cost of F1 racing and removing that barrier while also tweaking the design of cars to remove the loss of downforce when trailing other cars.

F1 will always need to change the rules on car design. Manufacturers will inevitably find the way to develop the best car within to rules and produce new technology to gain that 1% over other teams.

That will happen after 2022, its the nature of the sport.

Also on your claim of non competitiveness, remove Hamilton from this season and it will have been a really competitive season for top driver with lots of good racing in the mid field.

That just shows how good Hamilton is in consistently being better than everyone else, not just with raw speed but being able to preserve tyre wear and strategically plan his race.

"And when they get closer together we need cars that can race each other, because the cars we have now are terrible in that respect. We get constant reminders of the difficulties that drivers have of competing with another car when the performance difference is not here.

Ross Brawn

So yes it is about the racing
 

Chris_Boro

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"And when they get closer together we need cars that can race each other, because the cars we have now are terrible in that respect. We get constant reminders of the difficulties that drivers have of competing with another car when the performance difference is not here.

Ross Brawn

So yes it is about the racing

Of course its about the racing...

They are terrible, thats why DRS is there, to compensate for the fact the trailing car loses approximately 50% of its downforce due to the engineering of the car.

You said you would get rid of DRS now, which would be a stupid thing to do given the changes to help the above don't happen 'till 2022.

Everything in F1 is cause and effect. X creates problem Y with Z engineered to mitigate. You can only get rid of Z when you remove problem X.

F1 create rules in an attempt to even the field, F1 teams create cars to better everyone else along with employing the best drivers.
 

masquesmog

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Most of this is behind the firewall (too much of a pain to pull it out and paste), but you get the drift .... it's all data driven, partly based on drivers' performance across cars.

I don't think the Economist has particularly got any F1 axe to grind.

Disclaimer, I know nothing about F1. But for those of us who witnessed it, Fangio was always out in front .... 😎
 

zorro_mfc

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You said you would get rid of DRS now, which would be a stupid thing to do given the changes to help the above don't happen 'till 2022.
You’re right I meant I’d move to get rid or it by no longer needing it, not get rid straight away.

I would get rid of blue flags though just make penalties stiffer for intentional blocking and bring back track limits as well as with these tilke car parks it really makes no difference between run off areas and the track at times this isn’t right.
 

zorro_mfc

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along with employing the best drivers.
Again I’d argue this now as well, as far too many paid drivers and rookies in there now.

Look at years ago any F1 driver that moved to Indy from F1 would rule the track mansell sato nakajima etc but not anymore as now even named F1 stars have faltered over there now.

It’s no longer the best drivers in the world, yes you have some excellent ones but some of the others are here today gone tomorrow. Too much about what you can bring with you to the team sponsor wise over your ability.
 
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dooderooni

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F1 has always been about pushing technology and engineering, if you try to stifle that too much then the point of F1 lessens. As we live in a digital age it is no surprise that a lot of the performance is electronically derived. My car has multiple driving modes and safety features that are accessible at the touch of a button or screen as a direct result of technology developed in F1 racing.
Given the performance of any F1 car then you are still in need of a good driver in order to maximise that performance.
Man for man I'd argue that Hamilton would outperform just about every driver if he were to move to any other team.
 

ThirdLeg

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Again I’d argue this now as well, as far too many paid drivers and rookies in there now.

Look at years ago any F1 driver that moved to Indy from F1 would rule the track mansell sato nakajima etc but not anymore as now even named F1 stars have faltered over there now.

It’s no longer the best drivers in the world, yes you have some excellent ones but some of the others are here today gone tomorrow. Too much about what you can bring with you to the team sponsor wise over your ability.
Why does that mean the formula one drivers are worse and not that Indy car drivers are better?
 

BoroFur

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As the Sky pundit said, probably the best result all round for Mercedes. Front row lock-out, the young up-start doesn't out-perform or embarrass the established Bottas and while contract negotiations are going on with Hamilton he's reminded that there are young talented drivers out there who would jump at the chance of driving that car.
 

zorro_mfc

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As the Sky pundit said, probably the best result all round for Mercedes. Front row lock-out, the young up-start doesn't out-perform or embarrass the established Bottas and while contract negotiations are going on with Hamilton he's reminded that there are young talented drivers out there who would jump at the chance of driving that car.
The start is going to be interesting as we know bottas can be a poor starter
 

JM14

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As the Sky pundit said, probably the best result all round for Mercedes. Front row lock-out, the young up-start doesn't out-perform or embarrass the established Bottas and while contract negotiations are going on with Hamilton he's reminded that there are young talented drivers out there who would jump at the chance of driving that car.

It doesnt really make that much sense from a driving perspective for merc to keep Hamilton if he only signs on for another season. With Bottas and Russell they will still win the constructors fairly easy especially if Red Bull keep Albon next season, whilst paying Russell probably 1/4 of what Hamilton will get. Plus it gives Russell much more experience ready for 2022
 
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