Gaza genocide
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What about Israel releasing the hostages they have and abiding by the 1948 borders?
kuepper
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That's from a notorious right wing Jewish publication called The Tablet. It just panders to the Israeli propaganda and contradicts what the UN and aid agencies in Gaza have seen on the ground irrespective of Hamas reports. Note he says " the majority MAY BE Hamas fighters" which is just a smear because he actually doesn't know anything about the facts re the casualties.
Without getting into the rights and wrongs of this conflict, Israel will not stop until their hostages have been released.
and the Palestinian won't stop until they are free
also, Israel doesn't care about the hostages, they could have an exchange months ago, but choose to attack
Millbrook
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Where have you got that info from.
Hamas made an offer at the outset that was rejected by Israel.
also, historically. Hamas's goal in all it's attacks are to get hostages that they can use as leverage in exchange for Palestinian hostages.
If Israel wanted its hostages back it wouldn't have carpet bombed Gaza - the small strip of land where the hostages are being held.
Israel's (political) goal is obvious - destroy Gaza, get rid of Palestinians and claim the land for their own. It always has been! if you think they care about individual citizens, then you are fooling yourself.
red_harrington
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Palestine's (political) goal is obvious - destroy Israel, get rid of Jews and claim the land for their own. It always has been!
Therein lies the problem.
Sooner or later - like (most of) the rest of the world has managed to do over the past few millennia - borders will be agreed. When and how remains to be seen, but perhaps not even within our lifetime.
incorrect, Palestine's ideal goal is to get rid of settlers and return the land to what it was - when Jews, Muslims and Christians lived (relatively) peacefully for centuries
There is no hatred of Jews - there is hatred of Settlers - who are Zionists - which is a political movement.
Palestinians will settle for an agreement based on Pre-67 (i.e. 1948) borders. But Israel (Zionist and right wing lead leaders) refuse this as they want to establish the ancient Land of Canaan.
The world has already agreed the Borders. The Palestinian representatives vote on it every year at the UN, and accept based on Pre-67 borders. Israel and the USA reject this along with a few small Islands.
There-in lies the Problem - Israel does not want peace, they want victory.
red_harrington
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Oh yes there is!!!
You've got this backwards IMO.
The death tolls released by Gaza in all previous conflicts have been corroborated by the UN, and in this conflict US and Israel officials have confirmed they're not an overstatement.
If anything because of the way Gaza count the dead its almost certainly a massive underestimate. They only count people who die in hospitals or bodies brought to hospitals and identified.
So anyone buried under the rubble isn't being counted. Given 50-60% of the buildings in Gaza have been destroyed how many people is that likely to be?
I've also read recently that something like 24 of 36 hospital and medical facilities in Gaza have been damaged by Israeli bombing so who knows how much they're able to carry on counting.
if you keep pushing the false narrative that every Jew is a Zionist and every Jew is a Settler, then yes, you would be right!
But otherwise, you're talking BS!!!
Also, don't clip my replies for pathetic "sound bites"
it makes you look like a troll
red_harrington
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I don't need to read a partisan publication.
I am a Muslim, I have real-life experience and knowledge of the subject. I've lived in the Middle East so I also have that experience. I state facts, not narratives.
I also said that your action of picking a part of my reply, rather than full sentence makes you look like a troll, not that you are a Troll.
According to the UN. 85% of the Gaza population, 1.9 million have been displaced.
The numbers and statements coming out of elements within the Isreal government about resettlement outside of Gaza gave indications about the motives of some within it.
press.un.org
The numbers and statements coming out of elements within the Isreal government about resettlement outside of Gaza gave indications about the motives of some within it.
As Israel’s Aerial Bombardments Intensify, ‘There Is No Safe Place in Gaza’, Humanitarian Affairs Chief Warns Security Council | Meetings Coverage and Press Releases
A staggering 85 per cent of the total population of Gaza — 1.9 million civilians — have been forcibly displaced amid Israel’s military operations, the United Nations Emergency Relief Coordinator told the Security Council today, as delegates categorically rejected any statements proposing that...
red_harrington
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I suggest you read it so you can be better informed from a different viewpoint, because are you not partisan yourself?
Do you really state facts, or are you just offering personal experience?
Here are some proper facts for your consideration
ahh, ok. so 1st hand experience is not as worthy as 3rd party. In case you didn't know, Personal Experience are facts - though you could argue that it's a very narrow view in some cases, but that's not the case with my knowledge.
I just read some of it, it does the typical bias of calling everything Anti-Zionist as Anti-semetic.
Considering this is a political issue and not a religious one, the reference is a bit pointless. However, as many of the examples referred to Anti-semetic stereotypes are actually Anti-Zionists, the article only mentions the word Zionism once.
red_harrington
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If we all used 1st hand experience as our factual base we'd all believe the world was flat.