Gaza Evacuation…

sherlock1969 said:
He's not making it up.

Sunak and Tory Ministers have refused to condemn the blockade saying that the government says Israel has that right. Starmer also said that Israel have the right to withhold food, water and power.

Collective punishment like that is a war crime, so both main parties have endorsed war crimes.
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I was going to vote Labour at the next GE to ensure the current criminals definitely get voted out but not now. I can't vote for a man who supports that and I'll go back to voting green. Disgraceful human beings.
 
dibble said:
Whats wrong with that comparison ? How many babies have Israel taken hostage ?
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They don't need to take them hostage they just kill them. As I said on that thread, put an Israeli tank in front of the Israeli soldier crushing the pram in front of the Hamas SOLDIER and that would be a far better summing up of the situation (which is also critical of Hamas).
 
Johngannonsunderpants said:
I was going to vote Labour at the next GE to ensure the current criminals definitely get voted out but not now. I can't vote for a man who supports that and I'll go back to voting green. Disgraceful human beings.
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I think the the same . I have only ever voted labour but after this I don't think in all conscience I can. In the future we as a nation will be judged to be on the wrong side of history. No one seems to learn lessons from the past.
I'm really struggling to listen to these politicians trooping out one after another reading the same script saying "we support you, we stand with you" I don't I'm appalled at all the killing of innocents and with-holding of aid.
I won't hold my breath waiting to see how many Palestinian civilians Britain offers refuge to.😠
 
Been trying to keep up with the events but, as usual, it's all becoming a massive Israeli PR fest.

Scenes of Palestinians throwing rocks at the IDF, getting picked off by snipers.
Scenes of bombings with dozens of bloodied civilians being poured into ambulances....with the media then cutting to scenes from the Kibbutz massacre, trying to justify things.
The constant "but they started it" narrative towards HAMAS.

Question Time, the Sinn Fein guest spoke very well on the conflict but Bruce absolutely hammered him on one single point that he wouldn't come out directly and condemn HAMAS (which to be fair wasn't good)

Little Rishis speech, backing Israel ".....until they win". WTAF - win what??? The annihilation of Palestine? Stupid little f*ckwit.

It's absolutely head mashing that this is happening. Innocent Israeli's and Palestinians dying in their thousands due to f*ckwit politicians refusing to yield one inch to the other side.

Depressing ☹️☹️
 
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Horrible situation, truly makes you despair about the state of the world.

A perspective of the situation that made it make more sense to me was that its actually driven more by the Christian fundamentalists in the US, which explains why the US is so happy to fund Israel regardless of what they do.

From article in Washington Post

'But it’s also worth picking out another part of what Jeffress said to CNN. Jerusalem, he said, is “the touchstone of prophecy.” That prophecy is the biblical prophecy of the return of Jesus Christ and the beginning of the Rapture — the end times.

What kick-starts the end times into motion is Israel’s political boundaries being reestablished to what God promised the Israelites according to the Bible,” Pastor Nate Pyle told Newsweek in January.

This is not an uncommon view.'


This being true there can be no political settlement that will satisfy those funding this, except the complete elimination of the Palestinians.
 
I watched the itv news by accident after the rugby, haven't watched itv news for years but it was terrible. It seems like it's pitched at 8 year old children. The focus was solely on the hostages and how difficult a time this is for their families (which I don't dispute it is) but it was so biased. Even when they moved on to other stories I had to turn it off as it was so patronising.
 
BlindBoyGrunt said:
But Labour is lead by a former Human Rights lawyer who took the Zionist dollar and then endorsed war crimes in their name. There are other candidates and I will be voting for one of them.
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And that’s how the tories win.

It’s really that simple.

Vote green vote Tory.
 
Jedi boro said:
And that’s how the tories win.

It’s really that simple.

Vote green vote Tory.
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And what enables that? The fact that the supporters of the two main parties will largely and blindly do what they always do.

We shouldn't have to be cowed into voting for the least worst option. If we do, then the two worst parties may just get worse and worse, knowing that they can still rely on the votes of their faithful puppies.

Keir Starmer took the Zionist donations and kept them secret until the leadership election was over.
He declared himself to be a Zionist and now he is endorsing war crimes. When did this become acceptable to Labour Party voters?
 
BlindBoyGrunt said:
But Labour is lead by a former Human Rights lawyer who took the Zionist dollar and then endorsed war crimes in their name. There are other candidates and I will be voting for one of them.
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I think it’s more a case of not wanting Israel-Palestine to be a vote issue. We’ve been there Labour and Corbyn lost on that one. I don’t think Starmer is taking Israeli bungs to support them
 
BlindBoyGrunt said:
And what enables that? The fact that the supporters of the two main parties will largely and blindly do what they always do.

We shouldn't have to be cowed into voting for the least worst option. If we do, then the two worst parties may just get worse and worse, knowing that they can still rely on the votes of their faithful puppies.

Keir Starmer took the Zionist donations and kept them secret until the leadership election was over.
He declared himself to be a Zionist and now he is endorsing war crimes. When did this become acceptable to Labour Party voters?
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A Labour government that supports Israel is better domestically then a Tory government that supports Israel.

Both terrible approaches to the conflict but the Tories have destroyed the UK too.

As said above, protest votes against Labour are effectively Tory votes.
 
BoroMart said:
I think it’s more a case of not wanting Israel-Palestine to be a vote issue. We’ve been there Labour and Corbyn lost on that one. I don’t think Starmer is taking Israeli bungs to support them
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If you don't want to make it a vote issue you don't take sides.

If you take a £50,000 donation from a Zionist, keep it secret until after the leadership election has concluded, and then come out on the side of your funders, including endorsing their scheduled war crimes, it certainly looks like your support has been bought.

Did Starmer need Trevor Chinn's money to win the leadership election? Probably not.
Did he need to declare himself a supporter of Zionism? Definitely not.
Did he need to go against public opinion by backing Israel's plans? No.

If a clever person wanted to avoid giving the wrong impression in a situation like this, it would be possible.
 
BlindBoyGrunt said:
And what enables that? The fact that the supporters of the two main parties will largely and blindly do what they always do.

We shouldn't have to be cowed into voting for the least worst option. If we do, then the two worst parties may just get worse and worse, knowing that they can still rely on the votes of their faithful puppies.

Keir Starmer took the Zionist donations and kept them secret until the leadership election was over.
He declared himself to be a Zionist and now he is endorsing war crimes. When did this become acceptable to Labour Party voters?
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I’m not denying any of that but that but that is also the reality.
 
BoroMart said:
I think it’s more a case of not wanting Israel-Palestine to be a vote issue. We’ve been there Labour and Corbyn lost on that one. I don’t think Starmer is taking Israeli bungs to support them
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He isn't mart and whilst I don't like Labour rhetoric starmer has said, on multiple occasions that Israel must stay within the bounds of international law.

Bbg is just hearing what he expects to hear.
 
sherlock1969 said:
A Labour government that supports Israel is better domestically then a Tory government that supports Israel.

Both terrible approaches to the conflict but the Tories have destroyed the UK too.

As said above, protest votes against Labour are effectively Tory votes.
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Once in power with a 5 year mandate we will see what Labour politicians actually think about Israel. They know their public stance coast them votes last time
 
Laughing said:
He isn't mart and whilst I don't like Labour rhetoric starmer has said, on multiple occasions that Israel must stay within the bounds of international law.

Bbg is just hearing what he expects to hear.
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Very true, and we have to keep challenging those repeated untruths because the reason certain parts of the press are telling people this is to discourage potential Labour voters. It’s pretty insidious really to use the troubles on both sides to win votes
 
BlindBoyGrunt said:
f you don't want to make it a vote issue you don't take sides
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If only it were that simple. We both know how it goes. The plotless do as they are told and verbally attack the Palestinians, the Tories defend Israel as the only victim. Anyone that doesn’t say hamas is the sole perpetrator is painted by the media as terrorist sympathisers and antisemitic .

Let’s not pretend that isn’t what has gone on for decades
 
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