Gareth Southgate's strong message after some supporters booed when England players take the knee [Gazette]

rob_fmttm said:
Unfortunately I was not around today and so could not answer this question to the BBC.
But from my seat in the south east corner at the Riverside what I witnessed was the following...
Let's be clear what happened last night was on the players takling the knee a small number of England supporters started to boo. These supporters that started the reaction were England followers not local casual England fans but Engl;and fans that were starting off the main chants through the game. They were immediately drowned out by the majority and where I was that was led by local Boro based supporters. Remember the one instant where Boro players took the knee with a crowd v Bournemouth there was loud applause.
The fans that booed soon realised they did not have the support of the majority and their boos were not only drowned out but they also pretty much stopped booing because they had not carried the day.
The message loud and clear from the applause was that Teesside and England fans are with the players and against discrimination and racism. That pocket of racist England fans are in a minority and there views are need to change.
That was the message I took with me from the taking of the knee.
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Great to hear, thanks Rob.
 
bear66 said:
There are many families that aren't nuclear families. Have you got something against those people? Do you boo them when you see them?
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No of course not, but I am opposed to completely getting rid of it. It’s what western culture has been built upon for centuries.
 
I’ve been thinking, all this talk of bringing politics into the game results in booing from the crowd, explains why our own Neil Warnock has been followed by boos throughout his career.

Hell, after his Boris press conference, he might find himself under some serious scrutiny come August.
 
Wiseman_Vaughn said:
Yep! My partner is mixed race and we've had a few "episodes" when we've been out and about, but we never back down - no matter what. What we've found is that these ar******s are few and far between and generally, people tend to be very supportive when it kicks off
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Humans are what they are — my missus is also mixed race, most of my friendships male or female have been just that but in the end it’s just maybe perception. I mean many of us go to the beach (when we’re young) to get a tan — why because it looks good maybe healthy then some of us scorn those who have permanently coloured skin. We are such a weird lot.
 
Laughing said:
Let me explain the reason that I believe racism never went away and never got better, although I agree it seemed to. Racists aren't born they are made. No child is born a racist. It is societal influences that create racism. I suspect the single biggest factor in a person becoming racist is their parents. For 10 or 20 years things seemed to be moving in the right direction. That was only ever a veneer. Shutting a racist up isn't ending racism. There must always have been this huge pool of racists willing to bring their kids up racist, willing to listen to and be influenced by racists. That has never changed.
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Of course racism is learned. But actually kids spend far more time in school, far more time with friends than with their parents. They are influenced by these, plus their sports coaches, and other family and anyone else they interact with.

They are also influenced by media, and now social media. Social media is the big digital disruptor in all our lives, and probably the biggest influence for many adults and kids sadly. It's been weaponised by right wing hate groups and has influenced many people, with a barrage of targetted misinformation, and hate. Things will only truly get better when appropriate digital laws exist to create good governance, we are sadly in the age of misinformation.

No one thinks that racism went away, only that it had reduced, but now it's increased again. Austerity has made people angry and resentful at what they don't have, social media led by Tory PR told them it was because of immigrants from europe as a diversion from the bankers who were sneaking out the back door with the family silver tucked in their jackets. People needed someone to blame and Polish, French and the good old Germans were the first target. We had a rise in islamaphobia after the manchester bombing and now hate towards Black people due to BML. Now it's anyone from teh far east that might look a bit 'wuhan-ese' that get it. Basically there have been targeted social media led hate campaigns against every key ethnic group except the south americans in the last 5 years. The peope were ready to blame, and the right wing PR stoked it.
 
uncle_rico said:
No of course not, but I am opposed to completely getting rid of it. It’s what western culture has been built upon for centuries.
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it's also an irrelevant point because IIRC the nuance was that many black families in the US are broken homes and this needs to be accepted as normal. Not, "lets detonate all nuclear families and make the parents split up". I mean it's an absolutely impossible thing to enforce, because it was never their strategy, but it has been twisted to be that.
 
The Card Cheat said:
Yeah it's the media which leave racial slurs every single day on the social media accounts of black athletes. It's the media which boo players daring to take a knee for racial equality. It's the media which knelt on George Flloyds neck for 9minutes and ignored his cries for his mother whilst murdering him. Jesus wept...

Also I've read about a hundred thousand words absolutely slating Southgate on various comment threads, before a ball has even been kicked. The irony of you complaining you're not allowed to criticise someone whilst harshly criticising them will be lost on you obviously.
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the media certainly have a part to play. But we all need to understand how the media works a little better. stories in teh media, political ones largely don't just appear. PR firms create and sell politically motivated stories to newpapers on behalf of political organisations and parties. Unfortunately the right wing has far more financial backing and this can drown out anything from the centre or left. Information is king....or to be more precise misinformation is king.
 
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