Fury V Usyk.

[BoroMart]

Yep that's what he did very effectively in the Wilder 3 fight. As soon as he was hurt he went down straight away. Not sure why he tried to stay up for so long v Usyk.

His eyes had glazed over and it was pure fighters instinct to stay on his feet and try and back off. I don't think he was 'thinking' but just reacting. I think that he was effectively knocked out on his feet with that first shot.

I agree that round cost him the fight. I had them even or Usyk maybe 1 up at that point. That 10-8 round plus a round to run and recover after that gave three points to Usyk, which was effectively the winning margin on most peoples score cards. Fury didn't have much left after that point either, he maybe sneaked one of the last 4 rounds at best. He looked pretty beat up, dejected, shocked, broken nose, massive welt under his eye, I'm sure he was very glad when the fight was over.

Career-wise, I think the three wilder fights, the nganou knock down, and this fight must have really stacked up. He's taken a lot of hard shots to the head over the last 4 years. Retirement beckons.

 

[BoroMart]

A round isn't just dictated by the number of punches or power punches landed though. Aggression and ring domination for example are also considered. Uysk was ahead prior to the knockdown for me.

agreed 1 up, he dominated the centre of the ring and forced Fury onto the back foot for probably 8 or 9 of the rounds. Work rate is important too, and Usyks was phenomenal

 

[Andy_W]

A round isn't just dictated by the number of punches or power punches landed though. Aggression and ring domination for example are also considered. Uysk was ahead prior to the knockdown for me.

I get that, but standing in the middle and throwing punches which are not really doing anything is not particularly aggressive, not when the other person is wating for it and then countering with harder hits.

 

[Loop]

For me the knock down round was a the difference, until that I had them level on points, and at the end had Usyk 1 up, but could easily see how it could have been even or slightly to Fury. Although Usyk landed more, early on, especially to the body, the punches were literally doing nothing to Fury, and then when fury hit Usyk in the body or even the gloves it was knocking him back two steps. He had Usyk rattled a few times, but Usyk as quick enough to run away, and Fury was too confident thinking he would get more and better chances, when he should have just tried to wipe him out.

I've no idea what the comms were watching though, they had Usyk like 6 rounds up, and gave him all three of the first few rounds when there was next to nothing in any of them.

The daft thing was, had Fury just gone down early on in the 9th then he would have fared much better in the rest of round 9 and also round 10. Instead he just wobbled around getting more and more hits, those hits when he was on his feet cost him the fight. Had he gone down he would have not needed to rest in round 10, which effectively lost him that round too. He might have even been better allowing himself to go down twice in the 9th, if it led to that.

Fury spent the 3 first 3 rounds acting like a complete clown. All whilst Usyk was applying the pressure and making the shots count, racking up the points. Fury kicked on in the fourth & won the next few rounds. The 8th was close, but Usyk hurt him when he popped his nose. Then he really went for him in the 9th and it should have been stopped really. After that Usyk strolled home to the finish line with it in the bag.

 

[Andy_W]

I had Fury slightly ahead until the knock down, (standing count) Usyk dominated the last 4 rounds and won comfortably in the end.

I don't think Usyk dominated the last 4 rounds, obv he won rd 9, but the only other round of the last 3 which all judges had in Usyk's favour was round 10, but even that was debatable I thought, the other two the judges favoured Fury. The last two were not Usky's imo, he was just trying to not get hit as he knew he was ahead by enough.

 

[Loop]

I don't think it should've been stopped...still standing and avoiding Usyk and not taking many hits just obviously affected by the big left hand and then ropes kept him up so given the count - end of round and then fought on the rest of the fight (which surely shows ref was correct - it's stopped if a fighter is unable to continue) - should it have been stopped v Wilder? he was more out then.

Just because he was able to continue doesn't make it the right call. It's for a boxers safety nothing else. The ref was hesitant to make any real call. As you can see, he was jumping in and out every time Usyk landed a heavy shot. Which must have been confusing for Usyk. Fury was getting battered from one side of the ring to the other, he was out on his feet throwing nothing back. The ref then gave him the longest count ever. So he ended up with almost 2 minutes of recovery before going again in the 10th.

 

[Andy_W]

Fury spent the 3 first 3 rounds acting like a complete clown. All whilst Usyk was applying the pressure and making the shots count, racking up the points. Fury kicked on in the fourth & won the next few rounds. The 8th was close, but Usyk hurt him when he popped his nose. Then he really went for him in the 9th and it should have been stopped really. After that Usyk strolled home to the finish line with it in the bag.

There wasn't much "pressure" though, I just thought that was Fury's game plan. The dicking about looked daft, but it's just daft psychology, it works a lot of the time, and Usky didn't look that great when Fury was doing it, or after it.

Yeah getting his nose popped really didn't help like, and that won't have been good psychologically, could have been so easily the other way though, when fury damage Usyk's eye, but nothing really came of that.

 

[Loop]

I get that, but standing in the middle and throwing punches which are not really doing anything is not particularly aggressive, not when the other person is wating for it and then countering with harder hits.

"Harder hits" don't count for any more points though. A lot of those counters weren't hitting the scoring area.

 

[Andy_W]

Just because he was able to continue doesn't make it the right call. It's for a boxers safety nothing else. The ref was hesitant to make any real call. As you can see, he was jumping in and out every time Usyk landed a heavy shot. Which must have been confusing for Usyk. Fury was getting battered from one side of the ring to the other, he was out on his feet throwing nothing back. The ref then gave him the longest count ever. So he ended up with almost 2 minutes of recovery before going again in the 10th.

Yeah, that looked bad enough where it should have been stopped, seen things stopped for a lot worse, but then again Fury's come back from a lot worse, like in the first fight with Wilder when he somehow got back up.

He lost by not going down anyway, so ultimately led to the same outcome, might as well ahve just called it there and then and been safer.

 

[Loop]

There wasn't much "pressure" though, I just thought that was Fury's game plan. The dicking about looked daft, but it's just daft psychology, it works a lot of the time, and Usky didn't look that great when Fury was doing it, or after it.

Yeah getting his nose popped really didn't help like, and that won't have been good psychologically, could have been so easily the other way though, when fury damage Usyk's eye, but nothing really came of that.

Really? I can't agree there. Usyk dictated the whole pace of the fight. Even when he was taking some heavy damage, he was still walking Fury down and giving him no time. Which is what he does, he wears them down physically and mentally. His cardio and boxing IQ is immense.

 

[Andy_W]

"Harder hits" don't count for any more points though. A lot of those counters weren't hitting the scoring area.

Yeah, I know that was the case technically, which seems a bit daft to be honest, but the fight and judges generally still seem to go based on who lands the best shots.

 

[Loop]

Yeah, that looked bad enough where it should have been stopped, seen things stopped for a lot worse, but then again Fury's come back from a lot worse, like in the first fight with Wilder when he somehow got back up.

He lost by not going down anyway, so ultimately led to the same outcome, might as well ahve just called it there and then and been safer.

I said it pre fight, he's took a lot of damage in so many of his last fights. He's easier to hit now & his punch resistance is declining rapidly & his lifestyle won't help things at all.

 

[Andy_W]

Really? I can't agree there. Usyk dictated the whole pace of the fight. Even when he was taking some heavy damage, he was still walking Fury down and giving him no time. Which is what he does, he wears them down physically and mentally. His cardio and boxing IQ is immense.

Didn't look too much to me like he was walking him down in rounds 4-7, certainly nowhere near what he was trying in the first three.

Interesting how people see things differently though, I'm not saying you're wrong.

 

[Andy_W]

I said it pre fight, he's took a lot of damage in so many of his last fights. He's easier to hit now & his punch resistance is declining rapidly & his lifestyle won't help things at all.

Yeah definitely, he looked in better shape or not as fat, but that's only half the battle when you're his age and getting punched for a living.

 

[Loop]

Didn't look too much to me like he was walking him down in rounds 4-7, certainly nowhere near what he was trying in the first three.

Interesting how people see things differently though, I'm not saying you're wrong.

Watch it back, even when he takes those shots he's still on him. He's not backing away or looking to use the ring to get a breather.

 

[Loop]

Yeah definitely, he looked in better shape or not as fat, but that's only half the battle when you're his age and getting punched for a living.

I always remember Hatton's downfall. That was like a cliff edge & I think Fury's will mimic it if he continues. There's too many big hitters in the HW division.

 

[Mysonpat.]

I don't think Usyk dominated the last 4 rounds, obv he won rd 9, but the only other round of the last 3 which all judges had in Usyk's favour was round 10, but even that was debatable I thought, the other two the judges favoured Fury. The last two were not Usky's imo, he was just trying to not get hit as he knew he was ahead by enough.

I thought the last 3 rounds Fury hardly threw any shots of note, he seemed to drift to the end, he had emptied his tank and was still slightly concussed.
Rounds 4-7 Fury was fighting beautifully off the back foot, Usyk looked ragged at times and he caught him with some great upper cuts and body shots.

The thing with Usyk is he is an absolute machine, walking forward putting pressure on you right till the end.

 

[Andy_W]

I thought the last 3 rounds Fury hardly threw any shots of note, he seemed to drift to the end, he had emptied his tank and was still slightly concussed.
Rounds 4-7 Fury was fighting beautifully off the back foot, Usyk looked ragged at times and he caught him with some great upper cuts and body shots.

The thing with Usyk is he is an absolute machine, walking forward putting pressure on you right till the end.

Yeah, no doubt he's a top fighter.

Having only 22 fights and 3/4 of them at cruiserweight has probably helped him peak as a heavyweight at 37, which is a bit odd.

Fury's had like 35 fights at heavyweight and is two years younger, but I think his best days have been and gone, he probably peaked over 5 years ago when he was about 30.

 

[BoroMart]

Really? I can't agree there. Usyk dictated the whole pace of the fight. Even when he was taking some heavy damage, he was still walking Fury down and giving him no time. Which is what he does, he wears them down physically and mentally. His cardio and boxing IQ is immense.

agreed, Fury was fighting off his back foot because Usyk was controlling the centre with his footwork, it meant that Fury's punches largely weren't that effective because he didn't have the weight behind them. there was a spell of 3 rounds where Fury got a bit more control and landed some sickening body shots and an uppercut all of which affected Usyk, but then Usyk recomposed, upped his workrate, Fury couldn't match it, and Usyk took control again. Then he caught Fury right on the nose, probably cracked it. Then in 8 he caught him flush again and broke it. Then in 9 he had the 10-8. Three of the 4 best punches of the fight came in that spell and hurt Fury. I didn't feel there was anything really left in fury from that point on. I said to my friends that this'll be a split but Usyk won it by 3 points, and that Fury would swear he won it, when he didn't. After watching it back twice in the cold light of day, I stand by that.

 

[BoroMart]

I always remember Hatton's downfall. That was like a cliff edge & I think Fury's will mimic it if he continues. There's too many big hitters in the HW division.

the writing was on the wall with the Ngannou debacle. When Joshua showed Ngannou up it really showed where Fury was at....and I'm not buying the "didn't take it serious enough". That's just a sign of mental frailty which he's too old to change.