Fuel shortage

bear66 said:
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Oh great bear post the same bar chart that's been posted several times. It allows multiple answers by respondents and doesn't give the context of the multiple answers. Another poll done by a haulier recruitment agency and reported in the financial Times have a thorough report on the reason for driver shortages. From driver responses 15% of the shortfall is Brexit. I have also posted several articles explaining the issues all were ignored in favour of pretty name calling. Some of those articles were from EU drivers that had returned to the EU. The issue isn't brexit.

Are also some stupid posts on another thread about energy costs escalating due to brexit. The cost of our gas and electricity has nothing to do with our relationship with the EU but again that doesn't suite some posters narrative so it's ignored.

Have a balanced debate or don't debate at all if you have to obfuscate the issue.
 
Laughing said:
Oh great bear post the same bar chart that's been posted several times. It allows multiple answers by respondents and doesn't give the context of the multiple answers. Another poll done by a haulier recruitment agency and reported in the financial Times have a thorough report on the reason for driver shortages. From driver responses 15% of the shortfall is Brexit. I have also posted several articles explaining the issues all were ignored in favour of pretty name calling. Some of those articles were from EU drivers that had returned to the EU. The issue isn't brexit.

Are also some stupid posts on another thread about energy costs escalating due to brexit. The cost of our gas and electricity has nothing to do with our relationship with the EU but again that doesn't suite some posters narrative so it's ignored.

Have a balanced debate or don't debate at all if you have to obfuscate the issue.
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Strange that the government's humiliating climb down is to allow EU workers in, acknowledging that Brexit at least a major contributor to the problem.
 
Laughing said:
Oh great bear post the same bar chart that's been posted several times. It allows multiple answers by respondents and doesn't give the context of the multiple answers. Another poll done by a haulier recruitment agency and reported in the financial Times have a thorough report on the reason for driver shortages. From driver responses 15% of the shortfall is Brexit. I have also posted several articles explaining the issues all were ignored in favour of pretty name calling. Some of those articles were from EU drivers that had returned to the EU. The issue isn't brexit.

Are also some stupid posts on another thread about energy costs escalating due to brexit. The cost of our gas and electricity has nothing to do with our relationship with the EU but again that doesn't suite some posters narrative so it's ignored.

Have a balanced debate or don't debate at all if you have to obfuscate the issue.
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Usual standard of political debate there.

"I disagree with x, prove it"
Bear provides proof of x
"I refuse to accept the evidence"

And so the carousel continues.
 
Way_Out_West said:
Strange that the government's humiliating climb down is to allow EU workers in, acknowledging that Brexit at least a major contributor to the problem.
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Yeah I never thought of that. Even the brexit obsessed and must deny all impact of brexit government has implicitly admitted it was down to brexit
 
Way_Out_West said:
Strange that the government's humiliating climb down is to allow EU workers in, acknowledging that Brexit at least a major contributor to the problem.
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Spot on.
To deny Brexit is a major factor is Laughable and cringeworthy.
I don't see anyone saying it's the only factor but without it I very much doubt we'd be seeing the shortages we have.
 
Laughing said:
Oh great bear post the same bar chart that's been posted several times. It allows multiple answers by respondents and doesn't give the context of the multiple answers. Another poll done by a haulier recruitment agency and reported in the financial Times have a thorough report on the reason for driver shortages. From driver responses 15% of the shortfall is Brexit. I have also posted several articles explaining the issues all were ignored in favour of pretty name calling. Some of those articles were from EU drivers that had returned to the EU. The issue isn't brexit.

Are also some stupid posts on another thread about energy costs escalating due to brexit. The cost of our gas and electricity has nothing to do with our relationship with the EU but again that doesn't suite some posters narrative so it's ignored.

Have a balanced debate or don't debate at all if you have to obfuscate the issue.
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Two reasons were given as to why hauliers believe Brexit was part of the problem. As foreign hauliers are paid by the km rather than the hour, border delays meant drivers weren't interested in coming here; this stopped the to and fro movement of drivers that free movement used to allow. The other reason was the weak pound since the Brexit vote.
 
Laughing said:
Oh great bear post the same bar chart that's been posted several times. It allows multiple answers by respondents and doesn't give the context of the multiple answers. Another poll done by a haulier recruitment agency and reported in the financial Times have a thorough report on the reason for driver shortages. From driver responses 15% of the shortfall is Brexit. I have also posted several articles explaining the issues all were ignored in favour of pretty name calling. Some of those articles were from EU drivers that had returned to the EU. The issue isn't brexit.

Are also some stupid posts on another thread about energy costs escalating due to brexit. The cost of our gas and electricity has nothing to do with our relationship with the EU but again that doesn't suite some posters narrative so it's ignored.

Have a balanced debate or don't debate at all if you have to obfuscate the issue.
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Be interested on your opinion on this please. Two links.

Firstly the RHA backed Brexit

Britain’s road hauliers back ‘Leave’

www.rha.uk.net
Secondly the RHA now state that a main contributing factor for driver shortage is Brexit

Still suggesting Brexit is not to blame for driver shortages?
 
bear66 said:
Two reasons were given as to why hauliers believe Brexit was part of the problem. As foreign hauliers are paid by the km rather than the hour, border delays meant drivers weren't interested in coming here; this stopped the to and fro movement of drivers that free movement used to allow. The other reason was the weak pound since the Brexit vote.
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Cabotage rules as well I think are having a significant effect.
 
SmallTown said:
Usual standard of political debate there.

"I disagree with x, prove it"
Bear provides proof of x
"I refuse to accept the evidence"

And so the carousel continues.
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Your level of debate is, at best, disingenuous and at worst, used as an excuse to insult.

Bears graph proved nothing and I exclaimed why on another thread linking to multiple articles that explained what was wrong with the chart. Even one article from an EU driver that left the trade but remained in the uk.

All that information was ignored by you and others because it would take away one reason to name call and we can't have that can we.

See your stupid post blaming brexit for high fuel costs.
 
zzzzz said:
Be interested on your opinion on this please. Two links.

Firstly the RHA backed Brexit

Britain’s road hauliers back ‘Leave’

www.rha.uk.net
Secondly the RHA now state that a main contributing factor for driver shortage is Brexit

Still suggesting Brexit is not to blame for driver shortages?
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My thoughts are that there are many reasons for driver shortages and leaving the EU has played a very small part in the overall shortage. This is backed up by drivers who left the industry. The actual people who walked away. Their main issues were ir35 and poor working conditions.
 
I voted remain but we live in a democracy, it is what it is, the people have spoken. I doubt most had a clue what they were actually voting for my mind, having been whipped into a frenzy by Farage and his crew.
 
Laughing said:
My thoughts are that there are many reasons for driver shortages and leaving the EU has played a very small part in the overall shortage. This is backed up by drivers who left the industry. The actual people who walked away. Their main issues were ir35 and poor working conditions.
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it's not backed up by the people that walked away, that's just your spin on it.

This isn't entirely a brexit issue, but brexit is a significant factor, that shouldn't be debatable when the government has actually decided the best response to this issue is to make it easier for EU citizens to work in this industry again.
 
bear66 said:
Two reasons were given as to why hauliers believe Brexit was part of the problem. As foreign hauliers are paid by the km rather than the hour, border delays meant drivers weren't interested in coming here; this stopped the to and fro movement of drivers that free movement used to allow. The other reason was the weak pound since the Brexit vote.
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You are right that many drivers don't want to drive into the UK. That is absolutely true bear and had created lots of problems. Given we don't really import petrol or diesel from the EU. I think a significant portion of our crude for petrol production comes from Norway but we still produce our own petrol. The issue isn't supplied of crude but delivering from refineries to the station.
 
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