Fuel shortage

Way_Out_West said:
It was mentioned earlier, but just to stress - what you have posted here about EU regulations is a complete untruth. It is a choice of the UK government to provide support or not, people repeating lies like this is why we are where we are.

To quote the actual UK government, "where a company is of strategic importance and all other options have been exhausted, the government may consider providing bespoke support. This is a capability that the government has had for many years"

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Government agrees support package to UK steel company

The government has concluded a deal that is positive for all parties.
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Spot on, being in the EU never stopped the Italians and French propping up various bits of their manufacturing base. There was simply no will in the UK government to do so.
 
Way_Out_West said:
It was mentioned earlier, but just to stress - what you have posted here about EU regulations is a complete untruth. It is a choice of the UK government to provide support or not, people repeating lies like this is why we are where we are.

To quote the actual UK government, "where a company is of strategic importance and all other options have been exhausted, the government may consider providing bespoke support. This is a capability that the government has had for many years"

www.gov.uk

Government agrees support package to UK steel company

The government has concluded a deal that is positive for all parties.
www.gov.uk www.gov.uk
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If it's an untruth, it's only what was said at the time, why didn't they offer support,it cost Baird her job,she was the one that said the govt couldn't do anything because of EU regs.labour were still in office were they not, and what makes a business strategically important
 
chickenrunner said:
Spot on, being in the EU never stopped the Italians and French propping up various bits of their manufacturing base. There was simply no will in the UK government to do so.
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Every EU Country propped their Industry up by direct subsidy except the UK.
I witnessed it first hand in Germany, Italy and Austria in the Steel Industry.
And look what happened to ours.
 
zzzzz said:
Every EU Country propped their Industry up by direct subsidy except the UK.
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You're probably right but I'm not sure you can blame UK governments of all stripes.


Article 107 subsection 1.

"Save as otherwise provided in the Treaties, any aid granted by a Member State or through State resources in any form whatsoever which distorts or threatens to distort competition by favouring certain undertakings or the production of certain goods shall, in so far as it affects trade between Member States, be incompatible with the internal market."

Wikipedia: 'In 2018, Corbyn said his main reason for not committing to remaining in the single market was freedom from EU rules on state aid to industry. He said the UK government should not be "held back, inside or outside the EU, from taking the steps we need to support cutting edge industries and local business"'.

Breaching the EU rules will result in penalties being applied by the Commission. For example:

eulawlive.com

CJEU imposes penalty on Italy for failure to recover unlawful State aid - EU Law Live

The Court of Justice has just given its judgment in Commission v Italy (C-576/18), a State aid case regarding the aid granted by Italy to hotel firms in Sardinia. … Read more
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I'm afraid UK governments of all political persuasions must share the blame for not supporting and developing manufacturing industry in this country over the decades. They never developed any sort of plan for industry. Instead they sold a service based economy as some sort of Utopia when it was pretty obvious that the mass of jobs at the bottom of such an economy would be minimum wage.
Our politicians have been that lazy and useless I'd much rather chuck in my lot with a bunch of 'unelected bureaucrats'.;)
 
Ex pfc wintergreen said:
If it's an untruth, it's only what was said at the time, why didn't they offer support,it cost Baird her job,she was the one that said the govt couldn't do anything because of EU regs.labour were still in office were they not, and what makes a business strategically important
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We were 5 years into a Conservative government when the blast furnace was stopped. The government didn't just fail to offer support they also vetoed the EU putting tariffs on Chinese steel.
 
Ex pfc wintergreen said:
Not the first time, it was a labour govt, Google it, it's why she lost her seat, the Redcar voters voted liberal in a 21% swing
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They did keep the furnace lit though - I know it was still a poor effort and they were quite rightly punished at the polls - Osbourne sent a team up to blow the pilot light out as soon as it shut the 2nd time, so absolutely no hope for it.

Somehow Redcar now has a Tory MP - makes no sense to me.
 
junos_boots said:
They did keep the furnace lit though - I know it was still a poor effort and they were quite rightly punished at the polls - Osbourne sent a team up to blow the pilot light out as soon as it shut the 2nd time, so absolutely no hope for it.

Somehow Redcar now has a Tory MP - makes no sense to me.
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I mentioned it not to dig at labour, ( I voted for them) but as an example of the EU restricting govt support. Economics hold sway now. We haven't had a socialist govt since the seventies.
 
Ex pfc wintergreen said:
I mentioned it not to dig at labour, ( I voted for them) but as an example of the EU restricting govt support. Economics hold sway now. We haven't had a socialist govt since the seventies.
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Back to this again!

It was a UK Government choice, Labour and Conservative that stopped the support NOT the EU
 
Ex pfc wintergreen said:
Maybe but they quoted the EU, look at br14's thread regarding the EU banning state intervention,and Vera Baird also said the EU wouldn't allow it.
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Because both Labour and Conservative wanted us to blame someone else for their inaction. It worked but now they have no Group of last resort (EU) to blame, so they should now take some responsibility for their policies. Some hope!
 
junos_boots said:
Because both Labour and Conservative wanted us to blame someone else for their inaction. It worked but now they have no Group of last resort (EU) to blame, so they should now take some responsibility for their policies. Some hope!
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Well if the took the teesside vote for granted they were proved wrong in Redcar. Did you see br14's links.?
 
chickenrunner said:
I was pointing out that your suggestion that this has only affected small retailers isn't the case. That said however the current situation is first and foremost down to numbnuts with no reason whatsoever to fill up all tooling up at their local petrol station all at the same time, pillocks.
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if that is the case, and we have people saving fuel by not taking unnecessary journeys, then this situation will right itself in week.......lets keep an eye on that.
 
Way_Out_West said:
It was mentioned earlier, but just to stress - what you have posted here about EU regulations is a complete untruth. It is a choice of the UK government to provide support or not, people repeating lies like this is why we are where we are.

To quote the actual UK government, "where a company is of strategic importance and all other options have been exhausted, the government may consider providing bespoke support. This is a capability that the government has had for many years"

www.gov.uk

Government agrees support package to UK steel company

The government has concluded a deal that is positive for all parties.
www.gov.uk www.gov.uk
Click to expand...
absolutely, but people bought the spin as bad EU stopping us while hiding the truth that it was policy decision by the government. But as we see on this thread, some people lap up the lies
 
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