Formula 1

SmallTown said:
Mad this isn't it? The championship was won on the last race and there were only 5 points between the top two drivers? Yet you're trying to suggest that's the same as last year, where a driver won by, what 280 points?
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Just putting this out there… IF Perez was up there with Verstappen I think the same points would be made about RB making it boring. The same attack lines would be drawn. People dislike RB and Horner - that’s all it is. If Hamilton was dominating by 250 odd points fans in the UK would love it.

BTW I am not saying anything is wrong with this view, they are all just opinions, but the criticism of F1 is so predictable but it has been pretty dull for years. The last time it was exciting was when the tyres were exploding.

Reliability is too good nowadays. The teams all follow the same strategies and there is no real gambling on strategy. Russell tries to mix it up now and again which is to be applauded, but the majority stick to the regular strategy.

The last race was a great example. The only teams to go rogue was RB saving a soft for the final spell. Why on earth do they even have the mediums either? No one used them on the race. Maybe they could do something with tyres to make it a bit more exciting?
 
MolteniArcore said:
Just putting this out there… IF Perez was up there with Verstappen I think the same points would be made about RB making it boring. The same attack lines would be drawn. People dislike RB and Horner - that’s all it is. If Hamilton was dominating by 250 odd points fans in the UK would love it.

BTW I am not saying anything is wrong with this view, they are all just opinions, but the criticism of F1 is so predictable but it has been pretty dull for years. The last time it was exciting was when the tyres were exploding.

Reliability is too good nowadays. The teams all follow the same strategies and there is no real gambling on strategy. Russell tries to mix it up now and again which is to be applauded, but the majority stick to the regular strategy.

The last race was a great example. The only teams to go rogue was RB saving a soft for the final spell. Why on earth do they even have the mediums either? No one used them on the race. Maybe they could do something with tyres to make it a bit more exciting?
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I would disagree. I want to see racing. I know some people are partisan and are "fans" of certain teams and drivers but I'm primarily a fan of the sport first not a particular team. Whcih is why I completely disagree with comparing 2016 to now. It was one of the closest, most competitive seasons of the last 20 years. The last two seasons have been the opposite. There's a huge difference between a two horse race (even if the horses are twins) and a one horse race.
 
MolteniArcore said:
Just putting this out there… IF Perez was up there with Verstappen I think the same points would be made about RB making it boring. The same attack lines would be drawn. People dislike RB and Horner - that’s all it is. If Hamilton was dominating by 250 odd points fans in the UK would love it.

BTW I am not saying anything is wrong with this view, they are all just opinions, but the criticism of F1 is so predictable but it has been pretty dull for years. The last time it was exciting was when the tyres were exploding.

Reliability is too good nowadays. The teams all follow the same strategies and there is no real gambling on strategy. Russell tries to mix it up now and again which is to be applauded, but the majority stick to the regular strategy.

The last race was a great example. The only teams to go rogue was RB saving a soft for the final spell. Why on earth do they even have the mediums either? No one used them on the race. Maybe they could do something with tyres to make it a bit more exciting?
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Perez is pretty average driver, a solid number 2 driver. I'm not sure where you were going with that point?

The issue isn't because Hamilton isn't winning, that's a pretty narrow minded view. The issue is there's no competition, so Max is running away with championships without ever having to battle anyone for it. What is he really proving?

They all have the best software that tells them the best stagey to use, so deviating from that is only harming themselves. That Redbull could have used wets and still won.

They intentionally slowed the races down years ago, so that's why we see a lot of tyre management these days and the compulsory two compounds per race.
 
Loop said:
Perez is pretty average driver, a solid number 2 driver.
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Shows a degree of cynicism on Red Bull's part, a steady away driver as #2 is less of a threat to their constructors dominance than one of the many actually competitive guys looking for a seat.
 
SmallTown said:
Yet you're trying to suggest that's the same as last year, where a driver won by, what 280 points?
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It is really odd, it's like he's got some sort of in built anti-Hamilton, anti-Mercedes genetic disorder / agenda..............

Even odder that he posted pretty much every weekend that Hamilton's/Mercedes's dominance was ruining the sport, that it was ridiculous the number two driver in the team got nowhere near him, and it was fixed team orders etc (for six years near enough).

But then, mysteriously hasn't posted once about one team or driver dominating for two seasons now, with a number two getting nowhere near him in a ridiculously uncompetitive field, and is bizarrely trying to justify his stance that things aren't bad now.

What a complicated web he weaves............
 
Although I am a fan of Hamilton, the fact he's not winning isn't what has turned me off from F1 - that was the disgrace of Abu Dhabi in 2021, which was the last race I actually watched. But as a life long F1 fan, I'd have probably been tempted back by now if there was any semblance of competition left.

Every race weekend I check the results and Max has won again by a street. Even when he ends up well down the grid after qualifying, he is still odds on to win. It's predictable and boring and I would be saying the same regardless of which team/driver it was winning races and championships by such large margins.

When Hamilton was winning his titles, there were a few races a season that he drove off into the sunset, but for the most part he had competition at the front from Rosberg, Vettel and of course Verstappen. F1 followers can recall many great battles and close races between Hamilton and those rivals. But now, rivals can't even lay a glove on Max at the front. It's beyond dull.
 
MolteniArcore said:
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Interesting comparison with 2019 start of the season!
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Yeah that was a bad year for competitiveness. I'm willing to bet you £2.35 that's this year's championship ses a bigger margin of victory then that years already ridiculous 90 points. I don't think anyone is saying there weren't uncompetitive years in the past. But so can't recall a time when three whole season in a row have been a walkover. Not even close
 
Verstappen knows 99% of the time he can put the fastest car on Pole. He then knows the RB is lightning fast off the line. He then knows if he’s P1 after the opening turns he can pull a +1s gap on P2. Race over.

Rinse, repeat.
 
I've been an ardent fan since the early 80's.
When off-track matters and cool-down lap dramas are the only exciting parts of the race weekend then you know you are in trouble.

Liberty have done a cracking job bringing in a new audience, but people will be switching off in droves if the competitive nature of the racing is lost as this season progresses.

As for trying to argue with comparisons between Rosberg, Hamilton and Bottas with Perez and Max, there just isn't any. Perez is quite clearly a number two driver and would never be allowed to race Max wheel to wheel. He is a rear gunner and that is all.

Unfortunately, I don't have any answers.
Red Bull have done a tremendous job and I don't want to see them unfairly handicapped. But the sport will fizzle out if the others can't catch up.

Here's hoping Jeddah offers up something a little bit more competitive.
 
Comforts_comforter said:
Here's hoping Jeddah offers up something a little bit more competitive.
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This is where I think the super tight regulations both technically, and with what you can do with the car and cost cap / sustainably with number of PU's, different modes or over fuelling etc. has spoiled some variety in the racing.

In the past you often had teams with a slippery straight line car (even at the beginning of the hybrid era where a lesser team could have a crack at getting into the top four or so places with a high power low drag set-up), but in earlier times especially at Spa & Monza type circuits, big V12 / V10 cars could monster Monza, little high downforce cars with nicer power delivery from a V8 could excel at Monaco or Hungaroring.

But now, the number of PU rules, 'party-mode' rules, no playing with fuel flow (unless you are the naughty dancing horse people for 4 months or so), very restrictive tyre choices with ever limited numbers, limited running to test and try stuff etc.

There's simply no scope to do much of anything, the reliability needs, average track type by corner speeds, limited/restricted tyre choices and restrictive aerodynamic concepts leave teams with a very narrow scope to do anything and you end up with homogenised designs, with averaged out abilities to cover the average circuit type, to not wear tyres, not over stress the PU, not drink too much fuel and not come up with anything outside the box like double diffusers, DAS, mass damper etc as it'll just be ruled out.

It is getting a bit meh.

Watch Jeddah be amazing now I've said that.

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Ford, allegedly, looking to break their deal with RB and Verstappen to Mercedes; if Horner stays. Allegedly, reportedly, speculation, bull plop.
 
This from the poster who doesn’t like people “attacking them”.

I’ve said repeatedly it’s dull max winning all the time so not sure that’s fair my point is this kind of dominance is nothing new F1 I never mentioned Lewis ( who I don’t hate btw I just found it boring him winning all the time) I’m just saying how can you say it’s unique when the last decade was largely a merc trophy haul.

F1 needs to get back to racing.

As someone said to take sport where cars race over 200 mph and make it dull takes some doing.
 
Jedi boro said:
This from the poster who doesn’t like people “attacking them”.

I’ve said repeatedly it’s dull max winning all the time so not sure that’s fair my point is this kind of dominance is nothing new F1 I never mentioned Lewis ( who I don’t hate btw I just found it boring him winning all the time) I’m just saying how can you say it’s unique when the last decade was largely a merc trophy haul.

F1 needs to get back to racing.

As someone said to take sport where cars race over 200 mph and make it dull takes some doing.
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Sorry if you thought I was attacking you. I just genuinely am bemused by your approach to F1. Tifosi aside I've never met anyone like you who, has their favourites but will harbour a hatred for the people going against them. I guess it's a very football style thing, you treat Merc and Hamilton as if they were makems with that irritianal hatred we have in football. It just seems strange to me because all racing fans I know have their favourites but prefer the sport over the rivalries

You're right they need to get back to racing. And they need a way of making it interesting again because these new regs simply haven't worked.

I'll always be interested in F1 but I'm done with watching it for now. I'll stick with my WEC.

With regards to all the crazy rumours coming out today with ford and Maxcedes and MBS the cynic in me is thinking that liberty media is leaking or fabricating these things to try and get interest back in the "sport"
 
SmallTown said:
Yeah that was a bad year for competitiveness. I'm willing to bet you £2.35 that's this year's championship ses a bigger margin of victory then that years already ridiculous 90 points. I don't think anyone is saying there weren't uncompetitive years in the past. But so can't recall a time when three whole season in a row have been a walkover. Not even close
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If you had said £1.75 I would have been in! :D
 
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