Formula 1

JM14 said:
Which of those seasons did Hamilton win 19/23 races? Any other season it would have been impossible to hit those sort of numbers

No one has dominated to this extent in the modern history of the sport, and it’s not even close
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They only had the 21 races but 2016

Year: 2016
• Wins: 19 of 21
• Win percentage: 90%
• Pole positions: 20 of 21
• Podiums: 33 of 42
• Round clinched the constructors' championship: 17 of 21
 
Jedi boro said:
They only had the 21 races but 2016

Year: 2016
• Wins: 19 of 21
• Win percentage: 90%
• Pole positions: 20 of 21
• Podiums: 33 of 42
• Round clinched the constructors' championship: 17 of 21
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what’s your point? I never claimed Merc didn’t dominate that season
Fact is that was one of the most exciting seasons in recent history and the title went down to the last race

We won’t ever see anything like that with these current regulations while RB are dominating. Max won by almost 300 points last season. In the entire history of the sport no one has ever won by that sort of margin. The same will happen again this year.

We didn’t get close to anything like that 14-20
 
Let’s not forget the merc was so dominant that Ferrari had to resort to actual cheating with their engine to try and keep up and they still couldn’t get close to it.

So one car overshadowing the rest certainly isn’t new.
 
speckyget said:
They already do this. Wind tunnel time becomes limited the higher you finish in the constructors' championship.
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At the risk of name dropping, spoke to a team principle about this who pointed out that RB essentially RB have two teams in the mix, so double the wind tunnel time. He also fessed up that while they have a large wind tunnel the FIA monitor they also have a small one they ‘rent out’ so no one knows what goes through there, but only little pieces.
 
The big issue now is that F1 is too precise now there is almost zero jeopardy with reliability ( how many cars break down now) and the tracks are far too “ safe” for the cars with vast run off areas and no real risk to the car.

By safe I I don’t mean harm to the driver that thankfully is now paramount but harm to the car with run off areas gravels traps etc

Going off track should have consequences but in Tillke land this just doesn’t happen.
 
MolteniArcore said:
Red Bull caught up to Mercedes
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During the hybrid era, RB always had great aero, but couldn't match Mercedes PU. They eventually caught up because the regs were around for so long and you could spend what you liked. These regs aren't in place for half as long and you've got the cost cap preventing the teams throwing money at it to bridge the gap. Hence RB will continue to win by a mile.
 
Jedi boro said:
Red bulls superiority is a worry but let’s not pretend it’s a new thing. Mercedes won all but one of the hybrid era and so controversial was that loss many still don’t regard it as valid.

That means throughout the hybrid era every time a Mercedes went on the track they won that season championship.
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Yes but they didn’t win every race - not even close!
 
Jedi boro said:
Newey is the key he’s a modern day barnes Wallace a true British genius.
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He is, he's also the only one on the grid that has previous experience with ground effect. So it's of no surprise that him and his team have nailed it.
 
The problems in F1 at the moment are; that the regulations were changed to generate less “dirty air” coming off the back of the cars to improve the racing. However! RB have made a car that is so much faster than the competition, there isn’t any racing! At least not for victories. What that has caused is a fight for third place (drivers) and second place (constructors). Who wants to watch that?
 
Haven't watched a minute of it yet and don't feel at all tempted. When we start seeing real competition again I will rejoin but at the moment it is all pretty unsavoury with the thoughts of that shidt Jos Verstappen getting traction. He should be no where near F1 with his history.
Jedi boro said:
19 from 21 in 2026 is pretty close
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Eh?
 
Jedi boro said:
Let’s not forget the merc was so dominant that Ferrari had to resort to actual cheating with their engine to try and keep up and they still couldn’t get close to it.

So one car overshadowing the rest certainly isn’t new.
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But you’re completely ignoring the fact that we still had some properly close championship battles most seasons during the time merc dominated, and always multiple race winners.

No driver was ever winning by almost 300 points during that period
 
All I know is that for years I used to watch prac 1 2 and 3, qualifying and all the lead up to the race. Then the race and aftershow and Ted's lane walk.
Now Im that bored by it I watched Quali and the first quarter of the race and a bit of Ted.
Stats count for nothing when it's boring.
 
Jedi boro said:
They only had the 21 races but 2016

Year: 2016
• Wins: 19 of 21
• Win percentage: 90%
• Pole positions: 20 of 21
• Podiums: 33 of 42
• Round clinched the constructors' championship: 17 of 21
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Mad this isn't it? The championship was won on the last race and there were only 5 points between the top two drivers? Yet you're trying to suggest that's the same as last year, where a driver won by, what 280 points?
 
JM14 said:
But you’re completely ignoring the fact that we still had some properly close championship battles most seasons during the time merc dominated, and always multiple race winners.

No driver was ever winning by almost 300 points during that period
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That's what i was thinking too. Kind of insane he put a year where thew drivers title went to the final race and one of the most exciting seasons in the last 20 years as an example!
 
SmallTown said:
Mad this isn't it? The championship was won on the last race and there were only 5 points between the top two drivers? Yet you're trying to suggest that's the same as last year, where a driver won by, what 280 points?
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No I’m stating that one cars dominance if not new. Competition between teams has happened but each time only through controversy.
 
Jedi boro said:
No I’m stating that one cars dominance if not new. Competition between teams has happened but each time only through controversy.
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I know you are and we know your extreme irrational hatred of Hamilton and Merc so I see why you are doing it.

I was just pointing out they weren't the same. I don't think Hamilton ever won by 280 points and, to emphasise the point, the 2016 season may have been dominated by a single team but the WDC was exciting. Two rivals who hated each other, going up to the wire. A lot of hamiltons WDC victories were close too. It's simply not the same as th current utter snooze fest of a single driver pottering off every single race. In terms of excitement, competition and intrigue it's not even close. I know you're oddly partisan in this conversation but surely you can see the difference?
 
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