For those who can’t see the double touch..

BoroBen92

Well-known member
There's one touch on the ball, he kicks his own foot which accounts for any second noise, the change of angle and the confusion.

The Quest coverage and OneJobOnTeesside footage shows nothing different, OneJob also cannot see a second touch.
 

Block21

Well-known member
There's one touch on the ball, he kicks his own foot which accounts for the noise, the change of angle and the confusion.

The Quest coverage and OneJobOnTeesside footage shows nothing different, OneJob also cannot see a second touch.

Totally wrong
 

SuperStu

Well-known member
It's obviously not clear either way. Stupid for anybody to be claiming that.

I also think it's daft to say the angle behind Tav is the best one to judge on. Surely he's in the way of viewing the ball for that to be any use.

Half the people on here saying they can see two touches, when they explain themselves, are actually saying they can see the ball move in a direction and fashion that they wouldn't expect. Not the same thing. And as others have said, could just as easily be explained by Tav slipping over while he hits it.
 

Heam44

Active member
There's one touch on the ball, he kicks his own foot which accounts for any second noise, the change of angle and the confusion.

The Quest coverage and OneJobOnTeesside footage shows nothing different, OneJob also cannot see a second touch.

I haven’t seen the one job footage.

Have you watched the post match analysis on quest?
 

BoroBen92

Well-known member
I haven’t seen the one job footage.

Have you watched the post match analysis on quest?

Yes, it shows exactly the same footage, slowed down even further, and I still cannot see the second touch.

The fact that the pundits congratulate the ref is irrelevant, we see pundits supporting wrong decisions all the time.
They briefly watch a few minutes of footage, and then make a quick comment, they've got 36 matches to discuss.
I doubt they forensically examined it like many of our fans have tried to do.
 

Heam44

Active member
Yes, it shows exactly the same footage, slowed down even further, and I still cannot see the second touch.

The fact that the pundits congratulate the ref is irrelevant, we see pundits supporting wrong decisions all the time.
They briefly watch a few minutes of footage, and then make a quick comment, they've got 36 matches to discuss.
I doubt they forensically examined it like many of our fans have tried to do.

Fair enough.
 

SuperStu

Well-known member
I'm just watching the quest footage now. I don't think there's two clear noises on this either. Every kick of the ball just sounds sort of odd and echoey cause of the empty ground imo.

Having said that. I'm not saying I'm certain it's one touch either. Think it's very difficult to tell.
 

Heam44

Active member
I'm just watching the quest footage now. I don't think there's two clear noises on this either. Every kick of the ball just sounds sort of odd and echoey cause of the empty ground imo.

Having said that. I'm not saying I'm certain it's one touch either. Think it's very difficult to tell.

Yeah I’ve just watched it again. You’re right!

Confirmation bias on my part!
 

Dibzzz

New member
Have you seen this angle on the sky sports highlights?

Watched it several times and paused it and I can't see a second touch. The ball was well clear of his standing leg when he slipped and heading into the back of the net.
How the ref decides that's a double touch, I'll never know?
 

Heam44

Active member
Watched it several times and paused it and I can't see a second touch. The ball was well clear of his standing leg when he slipped and heading into the back of the net.
How the ref decides that's a double touch, I'll never know?

The quest EFL post match analysis Ian the best footage.

Although it may be surprising to some that Colin Murray and the pundit (not sure who he is) don’t even debate whether it was one touch or two, they simply show the slow motion replay and comment on how it was the correct decision.

The possibility of it being an incorrect decision wasn’t even close to being mentioned.

Genuinely can’t believe people could still think it was only one touch after seeing it.
 

Rofesleg

Active member
And dozens can see it.

Again ask yourself:

Is it more likely that dozens of people are lying that they can see it?

Or that dozens of people just can’t see it?

Bearing in mind that the average age of the the site is probably 50+ and therefore most of the users eyesight will have diminished over the years.
It is only near sight which routinely deteriorates from age 40. Good distance or intermediate vision can last a lifetime.

I would also say that it seems as most in the two-touch camp are making that decision based on the trajectory of the ball as opposed to actually seeing the second touch. Probably what the ref also did.

Me? No idea.
 

weemoby

Active member
In hindsight, I realise I may be wrong as although my eyesight is obviously failing me, I have Batfink-like hearing.

I can actually hear three touches, but I believe the third one cancels out the second one, so we are left with the FACT that the ball was only touched once.

Checkmate and UTB, you lovable troll, you x
:)
 

Heam44

Active member
It is only near sight which routinely deteriorates from age 40. Good distance or intermediate vision can last a lifetime.

I would also say that it seems as most in the two-touch camp are making that decision based on the trajectory of the ball as opposed to actually seeing the second touch. Probably what the ref also did.

Me? No idea.

I’d say the trajectory of the ball was pretty good evidence of two touch to be honest.
 

Heam44

Active member
In hindsight, I realise I may be wrong as although my eyesight is obviously failing me, I have Batfink-like hearing.

I can actually hear three touches, but I believe the third one cancels out the second one, so we are left with the FACT that the ball was only touched once.

Checkmate and UTB, you lovable troll, you x
:)

Good banter that mate
 

DCI_Gene_Hunt

Well-known member
From that Sky Sports clip whilst watching on my laptop I can't see a two touches. Perhaps on a higher definition screen it would be more visible.

I've not seen it from behind so can't comment on that.

It's noticeable that the referee decides straight away so he clearly is sure and also a Norwich player appeals straight away.

Can I just say that at the age of 58 whilst wearing glasses my eyesight is 20/20.
Just watched it on Quest - when you see it from behind I think it looks like a double touch but how the ref who is >10 yards away can see it & be a 100% certain is beyond me.
 
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