Favourite Boro Kit

Although the 1996/7 home kit did not have a white stripe - it broke new ground with its design and I loved the material - we moved on 20 years in one season with that shirt.

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fmttmadmin said:
I have been invited on to a zoom call with Errea tomorrow. There will some other fans on the call also but I would like to ask you for your favourite Boro kit. Home and Away.
And why?
Is it the design or is it the association with a player(s), a team, a cup win or promotion etc.
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Just give the people what they want.. AND get me a job sorting the kit designs out. (I will require payment of one FULL tracksuit per year)
OH! AND SORT THE SIZES OUT FFS
 
Home 76-77 w black lion.
Away - Blue/Black stripes or the Green/Green/Gold stripes from 94-95; would quite like to see an inverted home kit white w red band
 
Have just come off the Teams Call to the Errea factory in Parma Italy. Really interesting discussion between the ERREA's Fabrizio Taddei, Boro's Retailing and commercial, Jo-Ann Swinnerton manager of Boro retail, Boro writer Anthony Vickers, author of Threads of History, Boro fans and collectors, like Boro shirt designer Nico, arch collector Oli, Mark from Boro Shirt Museum and Owen Swift of Mbro Supporters 2000 and disabled supporters.
We had a chance to exchange views on our favourite Boro home and away shirts - and why. Most of the choices on this thread were picked up by at least one person. Everyone was united behind the white band except for Mark of Shirt Museum who is totally for all red shirt as his idea of traditional Boro.
We had opportunities to hear ERREA thinking and raise points - I asked for fan involvement in shirt choices. This was received very positively.
Mark from shirt museum appealed for shirts next season that would reflect the anniversary of the Robson Riverside Revolution - Jo-Ann said there will be retro (Dickens) shirts coming in the shop. Fabrizio was keen to say they like to look back at traditions and reflect favourite shirts but they do want to go forward and advance as a shirt manufacturer.

I also raised the point about quality being vitally important.
We heard that the industry gold standard is 7-8% Fabrizio said made by humans always human errors. BUT Jo-Ann Swinnerton (MFC Retail) revealed it was less than 1% this year. It is LOWEST EVER returns for faulty shirts - Jo-Ann also stated that they always refund or replace returns at the shop.
We also learned that sizing was a problem this year when much to Errea's amazement Boro asked for 7XL shirts - sizing has to be right.

Nico was asked how he started his fan designs of customizing shirt designs. He said he got inspiration from walking around Middlesbrough - mima, artwork on walls at Captain Cook Centre etc. Owen talked about a certain shirt up the road that carried an emblem of "the Gateshead bridge" "built on Teesside."
Jo-Ann revealed it takes a lot of negotiation with the EFL before any Teesside landmarks etc can be part of the shirt design. A surprising thing to hear.

All in all a really interesting exercise and hopefully the film the Boro team are making will be very interesting - showing everything that goes into a new shirt from early design through to manufacture off the machines.
 
fmttmadmin said:
Have just come off the Teams Call to the Errea factory in Parma Italy. Really interesting discussion between the ERREA's Fabrizio Taddei, Boro's Retailing and commercial, Jo-Ann Swinnerton manager of Boro retail, Boro writer Anthony Vickers, author of Threads of History, Boro fans and collectors, like Boro shirt designer Nico, arch collector Oli, Mark from Boro Shirt Museum and Owen Swift of Mbro Supporters 2000 and disabled supporters.
We had a chance to exchange views on our favourite Boro home and away shirts - and why. Most of the choices on this thread were picked up by at least one person. Everyone was united behind the white band except for Mark of Shirt Museum who is totally for all red shirt as his idea of traditional Boro.
We had opportunities to hear ERREA thinking and raise points - I asked for fan involvement in shirt choices. This was received very positively.
Mark from shirt museum appealed for shirts next season that would reflect the anniversary of the Robson Riverside Revolution - Jo-Ann said there will be retro (Dickens) shirts coming in the shop. Fabrizio was keen to say they like to look back at traditions and reflect favourite shirts but they do want to go forward and advance as a shirt manufacturer.

I also raised the point about quality being vitally important.
We heard that the industry gold standard is 7-8% Fabrizio said made by humans always human errors. BUT Jo-Ann Swinnerton (MFC Retail) revealed it was less than 1% this year. It is LOWEST EVER returns for faulty shirts - Jo-Ann also stated that they always refund or replace returns at the shop.
We also learned that sizing was a problem this year when much to Errea's amazement Boro asked for 7XL shirts - sizing has to be right.

Nico was asked how he started his fan designs of customizing shirt designs. He said he got inspiration from walking around Middlesbrough - mima, artwork on walls at Captain Cook Centre etc. Owen talked about a certain shirt up the road that carried an emblem of "the Gateshead bridge" "built on Teesside."
Jo-Ann revealed it takes a lot of negotiation with the EFL before any Teesside landmarks etc can be part of the shirt design. A surprising thing to hear.

All in all a really interesting exercise and hopefully the film the Boro team are making will be very interesting - showing everything that goes into a new shirt from early design through to manufacture off the machines.
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Fabrizio Taddei knows the score.. he'll see us right.
 
fmttmadmin said:
Have just come off the Teams Call to the Errea factory in Parma Italy. Really interesting discussion between the ERREA's Fabrizio Taddei, Boro's Retailing and commercial, Jo-Ann Swinnerton manager of Boro retail, Boro writer Anthony Vickers, author of Threads of History, Boro fans and collectors, like Boro shirt designer Nico, arch collector Oli, Mark from Boro Shirt Museum and Owen Swift of Mbro Supporters 2000 and disabled supporters.
We had a chance to exchange views on our favourite Boro home and away shirts - and why. Most of the choices on this thread were picked up by at least one person. Everyone was united behind the white band except for Mark of Shirt Museum who is totally for all red shirt as his idea of traditional Boro.
We had opportunities to hear ERREA thinking and raise points - I asked for fan involvement in shirt choices. This was received very positively.
Mark from shirt museum appealed for shirts next season that would reflect the anniversary of the Robson Riverside Revolution - Jo-Ann said there will be retro (Dickens) shirts coming in the shop. Fabrizio was keen to say they like to look back at traditions and reflect favourite shirts but they do want to go forward and advance as a shirt manufacturer.

I also raised the point about quality being vitally important.
We heard that the industry gold standard is 7-8% Fabrizio said made by humans always human errors. BUT Jo-Ann Swinnerton (MFC Retail) revealed it was less than 1% this year. It is LOWEST EVER returns for faulty shirts - Jo-Ann also stated that they always refund or replace returns at the shop.
We also learned that sizing was a problem this year when much to Errea's amazement Boro asked for 7XL shirts - sizing has to be right.

Nico was asked how he started his fan designs of customizing shirt designs. He said he got inspiration from walking around Middlesbrough - mima, artwork on walls at Captain Cook Centre etc. Owen talked about a certain shirt up the road that carried an emblem of "the Gateshead bridge" "built on Teesside."
Jo-Ann revealed it takes a lot of negotiation with the EFL before any Teesside landmarks etc can be part of the shirt design. A surprising thing to hear.

All in all a really interesting exercise and hopefully the film the Boro team are making will be very interesting - showing everything that goes into a new shirt from early design through to manufacture off the machines.
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Nice one Rob.
Boo Mark of "Boro Shirt museum"
 
Humpty said:
Nice one Rob.
Boo Mark of "Boro Shirt museum"
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His argument is that taken over our full history the white chest band is a fairly modern intervention. He admits we played in white shoulders a couple of times but in general once we moved to red colours we had a full red shirt from 1902 to 1973.
 
Although Mark is correct, I reckon 99pc of Boro fans and non-Boro fans see the white band as our identity.

Teams like Leeds and Palace have only had their current colours in more modern times as well.

How many of our fans were around in the before the early 70s to know we played in all red?

Thanks for the update Rob. Sounds exciting.
 
Mr Boro said:
Although Mark is correct, I reckon 99pc of Boro fans and non-Boro fans see the white band as our identity.

Teams like Leeds and Palace have only had their current colours in more modern times as well.

How many of our fans were around in the before the early 70s to know we played in all red?

Thanks for the update Rob. Sounds exciting.
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Mark was alone in his stance on the zoom but obviously we have had some outstanding history without the band - the first Robson seasons, including the Riverside debut and of course cup finals and most importantly of all the winning Carling Cup final.
But I am with you, the band is our shirt.
 
One thing that came across from this zoom was just how passionate ERREA appear to be in their links with Boro. Obviously it is a business association and they certainly did not hide from the importance but Fabrizio spoke with real delight about having been able to share in our cup glories and final disasters and one of his proudest memories was scoring in a game of football with Viv Anderson and Bryan Robson at Rockcliffe. He lost.
But ERREA were really keen to engage with fans and interesting that the Boro Shirt Museum was on the call and Nico someone that customises Boro shirt designs.
People above have mentioned Hummel and Adidas - a couple of points that came out of a recent Q and A with Jo Ann Swinnerton at a recent Supporters Club 2020 meeting - it seems the later adidas years were marred by Boro being presented with kit templates. In truth we did not operate at the scale to have any influence on our own shirt design. We largely got what we were given or had very little choice.
We had to leave Hummel when their UK distributor Elite Sports went into administration.
 
That’s reasonable and I understand that train of thought but I think there’s been enough iterations of a white feature on a red shirt, particularly in the course of recent history (last 50 years) for a band/yolk/shoulder feature to be classed as an identity for the club. Particularly as it reasonates so much a lot of our fan base.
fmttmadmin said:
His argument is that taken over our full history the white chest band is a fairly modern intervention. He admits we played in white shoulders a couple of times but in general once we moved to red colours we had a full red shirt from 1902 to 1973.
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fmttmadmin said:
One thing that came across from this zoom was just how passionate ERREA appear to be in their links with Boro. Obviously it is a business association and they certainly did not hide from the importance but Fabrizio spoke with real delight about having been able to share in our cup glories and final disasters and one of his proudest memories was scoring in a game of football with Viv Anderson and Bryan Robson at Rockcliffe. He lost.
But ERREA were really keen to engage with fans and interesting that the Boro Shirt Museum was on the call and Nico someone that customises Boro shirt designs.
People above have mentioned Hummel and Adidas - a couple of points that came out of a recent Q and A with Jo Ann Swinnerton at a recent Supporters Club 2020 meeting - it seems the later adidas years were marred by Boro being presented with kit templates. In truth we did not operate at the scale to have any influence on our own shirt design. We largely got what we were given or had very little choice.
We had to leave Hummel when their UK distributor Elite Sports went into administration.
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Errea and Boro just go together well.

Adidas dropped the ball more often than not and Hummel just dialled it in.

I like what Fabrizio Taddei said about looking to the future and coming up with new designs. This season’s home kit is fantastic and a guaranteed classic of the future.
 
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