Face masks

[SmallTown]

You did but if everyone isn't wearing one even if it becomes mandatory then I don't want a cloth mask that won't protect me. I want a proper filtered one.

Then get one. You can wear what you like as long as it goes above the cloth mask that should be mandatory.

In fact get one now, try and help out without having to wait for our negligent and incompetent government to mandate something that should have been mandated a long time ago.

 

[Priv]

That's what I'm looking for, advice from someone who knows. Don't want to buy off of Amazon for something like this because 9 times out of 10 it's probably been made in a Chinese sweat shop.

There is a lot of fake product doing the rounds on EBay and Amazon and various online pop up shops. To be safe and If your local go to one of your local ppe distributors. RSIS, Caswells, MI Supplies, Northern Safety, TIS, or Arco. We have loads in the North East.

 

[Erimus74]

Then get one. You can wear what you like as long as it goes above the cloth mask that should be mandatory.

In fact get one now, try and help out without having to wait for our negligent and incompetent government to mandate something that should have been mandated a long time ago.

Though the government did tell the British public to not go to the beaches & parks during the hotcweatger & did they listen, no, its not all down to the government, people still have to be adult about it all & a big majority are not & TBH never will be

 

[Laughing]

I may be wrong here, but a couple of weeks ago when I was looking into the benefits of wearing a face mask, the evidence was all over the place and contradictory.

Some evidence suggests they may actually increase the spread of any infectious disease.

I asked this question on another face mask thread. How are masked to be disposed and who is responsible for their collection and disposal?

With no infrastructure in place we will just be loading waste bins with covid petri dishes

 

[Randy]

There is a lot of fake product doing the rounds on EBay and Amazon and various online pop up shops. To be safe and If your local go to one of your local ppe distributors. RSIS, Caswells, MI Supplies, Northern Safety, TIS, or Arco. We have loads in the North East.

Cheers mate, thanks for pointing me in the right direction.

 

[hopesoboro]

I may be wrong here, but a couple of weeks ago when I was looking into the benefits of wearing a face mask, the evidence was all over the place and contradictory.

Some evidence suggests they may actually increase the spread of any infectious disease.

I asked this question on another face mask thread. How are masked to be disposed and who is responsible for their collection and disposal?

With no infrastructure in place we will just be loading waste bins with covid petri dishes

I've brought this up myself after reading your post Laughing but there doesn't seem to be much interest on here, (or elsewhere ftm) but that could be due to folk ignoring me!

 

[SmallTown]

I may be wrong here, but a couple of weeks ago when I was looking into the benefits of wearing a face mask, the evidence was all over the place and contradictory.

Some evidence suggests they may actually increase the spread of any infectious disease.

I asked this question on another face mask thread. How are masked to be disposed and who is responsible for their collection and disposal?

With no infrastructure in place we will just be loading waste bins with covid petri dishes

I'm taking my evidence form all the countries that do wear face masks as a matter of course, all of whom have significantly lower numbers of cases and deaths. Taiwan in particular found masks could have saved it when it was hit badly by the SARS virus and, thanks to that, it's pretty much survived this pandemic

 

[SmallTown]

Though the government did tell the British public to not go to the beaches & parks during the hotcweatger & did they listen, no, its not all down to the government, people still have to be adult about it all & a big majority are not & TBH never will be

It absolutely IS down to the government. You can see even from the response on here, even very sensible people are saying they'll wear masks "if they have to" which is why it need mandating. The beaches are a great point, and how the government can get away with being negligent. The don't CLOSE the beaches, just say don't go. So they can't lose because they haven't actually done anything to be criticised against. That's what they are doing, giving vague advice and ideas but making so few things mandatory so they can avoid blame and push it on to the general public.

 

[Erimus74]

It absolutely IS down to the government. You can see even from the response on here, even very sensible people are saying they'll wear masks "if they have to" which is why it need mandating. The beaches are a great point, and how the government can get away with being negligent. The don't CLOSE the beaches, just say don't go. So they can't lose because they haven't actually done anything to be criticised against. That's what they are doing, giving vague advice and ideas but making so few things mandatory so they can avoid blame and push it on to the general public.

Yes the government can ask but the, I'm alright, he's not talking to me British Jack public quite clearly show they will do what they choose
You can't keep blaming the government when others won't listen, we'll you will because you don't listen to other sides but as I have mentioned in other threads I will respect people's choices of wearing masks, even if sitting in my back garden, if I have to wear a mask to enter a shop I will, if it becomes mandatory then fine, if its left to the individual then I will choose to wear a mask when I have to

 

[Randy]

It absolutely IS down to the government. You can see even from the response on here, even very sensible people are saying they'll wear masks "if they have to" which is why it need mandating. The beaches are a great point, and how the government can get away with being negligent. The don't CLOSE the beaches, just say don't go. So they can't lose because they haven't actually done anything to be criticised against. That's what they are doing, giving vague advice and ideas but making so few things mandatory so they can avoid blame and push it on to the general public.

Yeah where is that second wave the doom mongering saints promised us when the beaches were open?

 

[Ingleby_Flash]

Brighton, Bournemouth, Lulworth Cove, the riots, Supermarkets since day one, no increase in infections and the infection rate is falling daily. That’s not a great Argument for mask wearing is it.

The government set out to terrify people so they would conform to their lockdown rules and some people remain terrified. But now the government are getting people back to work and back to normal, again the numbers Still go down. Project fear went too far and there are consequences, maybe the mask wearing thing is the antidote to calm people down. It’s a placebo.

 

[Laughing]

I'm taking my evidence form all the countries that do wear face masks as a matter of course, all of whom have significantly lower numbers of cases and deaths. Taiwan in particular found masks could have saved it when it was hit badly by the SARS virus and, thanks to that, it's pretty much survived this pandemic

I understand that ST, however there may well be other factors in play. For example in Asia they have had communicable epidemics quite recently and so may have a better infrastructure in place to deal with covid. They may also have an infrastructure that allows safe disposal of used face masks.

My issue, at the moment, is that there doesn't seem to be a lot of hard evidence to support the wearing of face masks. Provided they are disposed of correctly and the people removing used face masks are given adequate training and protection I don't have a problem with face masks. My issue is really that it doesn't seem to be particularly well thought out, though there is no surprise there.

On the subject of blaming people for not following government guidelines or advice. Well the government, absoloutely have to have an understandable, clear message, and if face masks are the way to go, put an infrastructure in place to handle the government directive both from an enforcement perspective and making masks available to the poorer in society and disposal.

It's just joined up thinking

 

[SmallTown]

Brighton, Bournemouth, Lulworth Cove, the riots, Supermarkets since day one, no increase in infections and the infection rate is falling daily. That’s not a great Argument for mask wearing is it.

The government set out to terrify people so they would conform to their lockdown rules and some people remain terrified. But now the government are getting people back to work and back to normal, again the numbers Still go down. Project fear went too far and there are consequences, maybe the mask wearing thing is the antidote to calm people down. It’s a placebo.

I would say it again, as you don't seem to be listening. Look at the places where masks have been made compulsory, now look at the places where it isn't or where, as in America, it's resisted. Compare the infection rates and death rates. To say the infection rate "is falling" doesn't really help when it's one of the worst in the world and it's barely falling

 

[Ingleby_Flash]

https://www.england.nhs.uk/statisti...D-19-total-announced-deaths-12-July-2020.xlsx

I don’t need to listen to paranoia, I can see with my own eyes. The government terrified some people to extremes.

 

[Centralscrutinizer]

I would say it again, as you don't seem to be listening. Look at the places where masks have been made compulsory, now look at the places where it isn't or where, as in America, it's resisted. Compare the infection rates and death rates. To say the infection rate "is falling" doesn't really help when it's one of the worst in the world and it's barely falling

All we needed to do was copy the countries that obviously know what they're doing. But no, and here we are with the latest from our government - masks might need to be worn in shops.

 

[SmallTown]

https://www.england.nhs.uk/statisti...D-19-total-announced-deaths-12-July-2020.xlsx

I don’t need to listen to paranoia, I can see with my own eyes. The government terrified some people to extremes.

M<aybe you should "See with your own eyes" our death rate compared to everywhere else in the world and see whether it's "paranoia" or an actual fact we are one of the worst countries in the world with the disease. All you need to do is educate yourself.

 

[Jonny_Rondos_Disco_pants]

Brighton, Bournemouth, Lulworth Cove, the riots, Supermarkets since day one, no increase in infections and the infection rate is falling daily. That’s not a great Argument for mask wearing is it.

The government set out to terrify people so they would conform to their lockdown rules and some people remain terrified. But now the government are getting people back to work and back to normal, again the numbers Still go down. Project fear went too far and there are consequences, maybe the mask wearing thing is the antidote to calm people down. It’s a placebo.

Or look at the USA where the infected figures have gone bananas.

 

[Jonny_Rondos_Disco_pants]

The arguments that masks/face coverings are bad for you etc is nonsense. Reduced blood/oxygen levels etc.....

Surgeons have worn them for hours upon hours doing surgery, we are currently wearing them on site and from the moment we leave our hotel until the moment we return at night. It's not pleasant in the heat but at no point has anyone suffered from not getting enough oxygen. Those who worked offshore and have used a re-breather know that you can breath your own air for around 5 mins (with airtight seals). Facemasks are not air tight seals. You'll be fine. Anything is better than nothing. It's an act of unselfishness to wear one. Protecting others.

 

[Randy]

Or look at the USA where the infected figures have gone bananas.

You could use the same argument for China where mask use was prominent before this pandemic but the virus still went about its business.

People will wear them and people won't. The same reason as people still have a beer and drive, people still use their phones whilst driving, people still talk on the phone on quiet carriages on the train, people still smoke in hotel rooms. Yes not everybody but still minority.

It will probably be made mandatory this week but don't expect everybody you see to be wearing one.

 

[SmallTown]

You could use the same argument for China where mask use was prominent before this pandemic but the virus still went about its business.



It will probably be made mandatory this week but don't expect everybody you see to be wearing one.

You could also see how many people died win China, compared to here?

Second point sounds depressingly accurate though. People are just inherently selfish. If only the government would a: make masks mandatory and b: ensure the sturcture for fining people who don't comply is strong (i.e £50 fine for first offence, rising to £1000 for repeat offenders say.)