England team good enough to beat Scotland

davidmills said:
Pickford

James
Coady
Maguire
Shaw

Belllingham
Henderson
Grealish

Sancho
Calvert Lewin
Rashford

Subs
2 keepers
White
Chilwell
Saka
Plus any others
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I started this thread as a joke but looking at that team now it may well have done far better than the shxte we saw last night
 
BoroMart said:
Of course we have far better players Pretty much every England player would walk into the Scotlands side if they had a kilt. Robertson would get into the England side and Tierney if Maguire wasn't fit, but that's it.

Kane or Dykes?
Mount or McGinn?
Pickford or Marshall?
Stones or Hanley?

It's a no brainer, the fact we didn't play well on the day doesn't change the quality of the players


Englands form is good, in spite of a 0-0 yesterday, and better than Scotlands. As individuals the England players are largely in better form too, I mean many have just played in the champs league final



So, again, no, England have better players, are a better team and will almost certainly go further. Well done to Scotland winning their World Cup Final 0-0, but that is as good as it's got for them in about 40 years internationally. Dragging England down to their level for a dour 0-0. I stand by my stance England are a far better team with far more potential in this competition, regardless of one poor performance.
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Scotland looked the better team yesterday and deserved to win.
The pomposity of some is remarkable.
If that England team are brimful of great players why did they look so incredibly poor to a man?
Other than Southgate being completely out of his depth.
 
indeedido said:
Scotland looked the better team yesterday and deserved to win.
The pomposity of some is remarkable.
If that England team are brimful of great players why did they look so incredibly poor to a man?
Other than Southgate being completely out of his depth.
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They didn't deserve to lose, but deserve to win is some stretch considering how little they created. We cleared a header off the line that was going wide, we hit the post. That's the highlights of the game.

That's not pomposity, it's how I see the game with my couches head on.

Why did we look poor, both sides looked poor in creativity. Scotland defended very well, they got 9 outfield players behind the ball quickly and didn't dive in. It was disciplined. England were too slow switching the ball wide, which allowed Scotland to shuffle over and cut the space. The start of our problems were that Stones didn't shift the ball fast enough, I think he was nervous of having one of his errors, he also didn't drive forward into midfield he needed to do that and give us an extra body in possession. James for some reason wouldn't drive on, and should have been subbed for me. I think Rice and Philips didn't have stinkers but didn't get on the ball in a positive manner. That made it predictable. Saying that, Scotland didn't get in behind us, didn't get many dangerous balls into the box and were relying on looking for a mistake they created very little. 0-0 was a fair reflection.

Regarding Southgate, you are talking silly. Southgate has more competitive wins for England than any manager every, that's a fact, so if he is out of his depth that really doesn't say a lot for every other manager ever. He could have made better subs but the players he out out were good enough but a few had poor games particularly Kane.

I'll stick my neck out Scotland will go home with 1 point and England will progress to the next round..if you think Southgate is so out of his depth then tell us we will not qualify out of the group and if you think Scotland were so good tell me they will get through.
 
BoroMart said:
They didn't deserve to lose, but deserve to win is some stretch considering how little they created. We cleared a header off the line that was going wide, we hit the post. That's the highlights of the game.

That's not pomposity, it's how I see the game with my couches head on.

Why did we look poor, both sides looked poor in creativity. Scotland defended very well, they got 9 outfield players behind the ball quickly and didn't dive in. It was disciplined. England were too slow switching the ball wide, which allowed Scotland to shuffle over and cut the space. The start of our problems were that Stones didn't shift the ball fast enough, I think he was nervous of having one of his errors, he also didn't drive forward into midfield he needed to do that and give us an extra body in possession. James for some reason wouldn't drive on, and should have been subbed for me. I think Rice and Philips didn't have stinkers but didn't get on the ball in a positive manner. That made it predictable. Saying that, Scotland didn't get in behind us, didn't get many dangerous balls into the box and were relying on looking for a mistake they created very little. 0-0 was a fair reflection.

Regarding Southgate, you are talking silly. Southgate has more competitive wins for England than any manager every, that's a fact, so if he is out of his depth that really doesn't say a lot for every other manager ever. He could have made better subs but the players he out out were good enough but a few had poor games particularly Kane.

I'll stick my neck out Scotland will go home with 1 point and England will progress to the next round..if you think Southgate is so out of his depth then tell us we will not qualify out of the group and if you think Scotland were so good tell me they will get through.
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Great response 👌 ...on a personal note although I agree with most you have said...I think Shick will score against us in the week and we will lose Vs Czech Republic. If Croatia then beat Scotland 2-0 then we will go out.
 
Balaban said:
Great response 👌 ...on a personal note although I agree with most you have said...I think Shick will score against us in the week and we will lose Vs Czech Republic. If Croatia then beat Scotland 2-0 then we will go out.
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We only need to finish 3rd.
As long as there are two teams in 3rd place who have less than 4 points, we're progressing whatever the result on Tuesday.

Currently:
Switzerland are on 1
Finland are on 3,
Austria are on 3
Slovakia are on 3 (or Spain are on 1/2 depending on the result today)
Germany are on 0/1 or Portugal/France are on 3.
 
BoroMart said:
They didn't deserve to lose, but deserve to win is some stretch considering how little they created. We cleared a header off the line that was going wide, we hit the post. That's the highlights of the game.

That's not pomposity, it's how I see the game with my couches head on.

Why did we look poor, both sides looked poor in creativity. Scotland defended very well, they got 9 outfield players behind the ball quickly and didn't dive in. It was disciplined. England were too slow switching the ball wide, which allowed Scotland to shuffle over and cut the space. The start of our problems were that Stones didn't shift the ball fast enough, I think he was nervous of having one of his errors, he also didn't drive forward into midfield he needed to do that and give us an extra body in possession. James for some reason wouldn't drive on, and should have been subbed for me. I think Rice and Philips didn't have stinkers but didn't get on the ball in a positive manner. That made it predictable. Saying that, Scotland didn't get in behind us, didn't get many dangerous balls into the box and were relying on looking for a mistake they created very little. 0-0 was a fair reflection.

Regarding Southgate, you are talking silly. Southgate has more competitive wins for England than any manager every, that's a fact, so if he is out of his depth that really doesn't say a lot for every other manager ever. He could have made better subs but the players he out out were good enough but a few had poor games particularly Kane.

I'll stick my neck out Scotland will go home with 1 point and England will progress to the next round..if you think Southgate is so out of his depth then tell us we will not qualify out of the group and if you think Scotland were so good tell me they will get through.
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You are largely rightg in what you say BM, scotland did deserve to win though, they created more than England, whatever the reasons for that.
 
Balaban said:
Great response 👌 ...on a personal note although I agree with most you have said...I think Shick will score against us in the week and we will lose Vs Czech Republic. If Croatia then beat Scotland 2-0 then we will go out.
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I'm going 1-1 vs Czech, I don't think they have the pace to get in behind us and that will encourage our FBs to push forward, we'll have some spells of possession high up the pitch and I don't see Foden, Grealish et al not being brave enough two games running.

Scotland won't win 2-0 vs Croatia :D I think they'll lose 2-0 and Croatia will top the group.

England fans and press will attack the team and manager for being poor with 5 points, but we will still make at least the quarters.
 
Laughing said:
You are largely rightg in what you say BM, scotland did deserve to win though, they created more than England, whatever the reasons for that.
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They created one chance that was well saved.
I don't think that's enough to say they deserved to win.
Their only other chance was a shot going wide that Reece James dramatically blocked.

England similarly created one chance of note, with Stones header, and he probably should have scored it, that doesn't mean England deserved to win.

Scotland were the better team, but it was a game of few chances.
 
TeaCider said:
Currently:
Switzerland are on 1
Finland are on 3,
Austria are on 3
Slovakia are on 3 (or Spain are on 1/2 depending on the result today)
Germany are on 0/1 or Portugal/France are on 3.
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Finland will lose to Belguim so finish on 3 points
Switzerland will beat Turkey but they are -3 GD, I think they would need a 3-0 win and England lose 1-0 to turn that around.
Slovakia will lose to Spain and finish on 3.

I think we are through already.
 
BoroMart said:
Finland will lose to Belguim so finish on 3 points
Switzerland will beat Turkey but they are -3 GD, I think they would need a 3-0 win and England lose 1-0 to turn that around.
Slovakia will lose to Spain and finish on 3.

I think we are through already.
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Very likely, but you can't be certain with football.

We might well know mathematically before we play on Tuesday though.
 
BoroMart said:
Agreed we should do it ourselves not rely on others
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I'd love a repeat of our last match against the Czechs, 5-0 to us, though I doubt it will be that comfortable given they seem to have improved.


Their side when we played them:

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Their side when they played yesterday:
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Fairly similar sides.

Note the Sterling hat-trick in our game against them 👀.
 
TeaCider said:
They created one chance that was well saved.
I don't think that's enough to say they deserved to win.
Their only other chance was a shot going wide that Reece James dramatically blocked.

England similarly created one chance of note, with Stones header, and he probably should have scored it, that doesn't mean England deserved to win.

Scotland were the better team, but it was a game of few chances.
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There were few chances but Scotland had more shots than England and twice as many on target (admittedly only 2) the header from under the bar I wasn't convinced by the replays that it was going wide. From one angle it looked to be going wide from another it looked like it was going in. In any event Scotland played football and England played keepball was the main difference for me.
 
Laughing said:
There were few chances but avignon had more shots than England and twice as many on target (admittedly only 2) the header from under the bar I wasn't convinced by the replays that it was going wide. From one angle it looked to be going wide from another it looked like it was going in. In any event Scotland played football and England played keepball was the main difference for me.
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The shots on target doesn't account for the free header from Stones, as obviously the post is not on target, which was probably the best chance of the entire match.

The shot saved by Pickford was a harder chance that was well taken.

But I'm not arguing that Scotland weren't better, they were, I just don't think they deserved to win either.
 
TeaCider said:
The shots on target doesn't account for the free header from Stones, as obviously the post is not on target, which was probably the best chance of the entire match.

The shot saved by Pickford was harder chance that was well taken.

But I'm not arguing that Scotland weren't better, they were, I just don't think they deserved to win either.
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Fair enough. Not much in it that much is true. Scotland hopefully play that well against Croatia.
 
TeaCider said:
The shots on target doesn't account for the free header from Stones, as obviously the post is not on target, which was probably the best chance of the entire match.
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Agreed. Clear opportunities aren't the same as shots on target. Scotland didn't really create anything so didn't deserve to win. A header going wide and a shot from a very difficult angle was the sum of their 'playing football'. That's not really enough to win a football match.

Pickford did make the best ave, but it was one I would expect him to save, the best opportunity of the game was clearly Stones. That goes in and it's a different game, as Scotland would have needed to open up, but auntie, balls, uncle etc.

The match reminded me of when Boro have gone to Old Trafford or Anfield etc. and put in a superb defensive display, and had a couple of half chances to win it but the game ends 0-0. But at the end of the season Boro were near the bottom of the table and didn't score enough, and Man U/Liverpool went on to win a trophy. This was Scotland at their most motivated, most confident, and hardest working but it doesn't put them on a par with England who put in one of their poorest performances.
 
BoroMart said:
Agreed. Clear opportunities aren't the same as shots on target. Scotland didn't really create anything so didn't deserve to win. A header going wide and a shot from a very difficult angle was the sum of their 'playing football'. That's not really enough to win a football match.

Pickford did make the best ave, but it was one I would expect him to save, the best opportunity of the game was clearly Stones. That goes in and it's a different game, as Scotland would have needed to open up, but auntie, balls, uncle etc.

The match reminded me of when Boro have gone to Old Trafford or Anfield etc. and put in a superb defensive display, and had a couple of half chances to win it but the game ends 0-0. But at the end of the season Boro were near the bottom of the table and didn't score enough, and Man U/Liverpool went on to win a trophy. This was Scotland at their most motivated, most confident, and hardest working but it doesn't put them on a par with England who put in one of their poorest performances.
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No one should argue that on paper England have a better side, despite some trying.

You have to compete to then be able to play. England really didn't do that and I don't think it would have mattered who was on the pitch.

Scotland did deserve to win though 😊
 
TeaCider said:
I'd love a repeat of our last match against the Czechs, 5-0 to us, though I doubt it will be that comfortable given they seem to have improved.


Their side when we played them:

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Their side when they played yesterday:
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Fairly similar sides.

Note the Sterling hat-trick in our game against them 👀.
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Yes 20% of his international goals in that one match of over 60.
Southgate will play him and it will cost us.
 
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