England generally. OMG

It’s the crunch games he struggles in games where tactics are needed to overcome the opposition

Scotland we failed to break them down

An aging Croatia side one game from a WC final ( France showed us how)

Italy at Wembley after going 1-0 up thrn didn’t make changes until it was too late to lose on pens.

It’s fine hammering minnows 10-0 or whatever but in the pinch point games he’s been found wanting.
 
The game against Germany is now meaningless , so of course Gareth will remain in charge with the World Cup starting in about 2 months time. He will probably move into club management whatever the results in Qatar even though recent games have knocked the gloss off his reputation.
Let’s face it , any England manager will struggle when compared with Big Sam’s 100% winning record.😮
 
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The home side were deservedly booed off at the break and came out for the second half looking to claw themselves back into the game.

But Cardiff coped with everything they threw at them.

Downing saw one effort go just wide on the hour after Hasselbaink gave away a free-kick just outside the box for handball.

But Boro lacked ideas, much to the frustration of the home supporters, some of whom decided they had seen enough with 20 minutes still to go.


The write up after the Cardiff defeat - nothing has changed.
 
Facefuzz said:
He is a yes man. That’s why he got the job at boro and then England. Does as he is told, without question, by those above him.

Glad he lifted that trophy for Boro.
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Agree as long as we don't do terribly then I think the FA will be happy with Southgate he is a yes man and cheerleads the political correctness to aplomb. I really don't think the job is about winning tournaments anymore
 
Glover_elbow said:
Agree as long as we don't do terribly then I think the FA will be happy with Southgate he is a yes man and cheerleads the political correctness to aplomb. I really don't think the job is about winning tournaments anymore
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He’s just signed a new 4 year deal hasn’t he.

He’s going nowhere
 
jeff_potato said:
Most people will judge his future on this next tournament. These players shine at club level alongside some tremendous foreign talents and I honestly don't know who could get them to win a trophy, but if they play as England 0 in Qatar, then he'll possibly be shepherded to another role in the FA.

Between the Ronaldinho goal and Southgate's appointment, England would breeze through most qualifiers and friendlies before effectively going on strike during tournaments.

Southgate has two tournament runs under his belt, regardless of your opinion of the opposition. Would we discount a Boro FA Cup final this year if we played non-PL teams?
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You would be forgiven for thinking some people have an agenda. In tournaments he has delivered in spades and will do so again of that I have little doubt.

Some say last night was a friendly then lambasted the team when they played like it was a friendly.

The team should be judged wholly, and solely on what they do in tournament qualifying and finals.

The mental gymnastics to critsize Southgate is something to behold.
 
Jedi boro said:
It’s the crunch games he struggles in games where tactics are needed to overcome the opposition

Scotland we failed to break them down

An aging Croatia side one game from a WC final ( France showed us how)

Italy at Wembley after going 1-0 up thrn didn’t make changes until it was too late to lose on pens.

It’s fine hammering minnows 10-0 or whatever but in the pinch point games he’s been found wanting.
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Disagree mate - I do think he’s lacking on tactics, and certainly isn’t a dynamic manager who changes a game. But you can’t say he can’t do crunch matches when we’ve just been to a final and a semi final, that means he’s won pretty much all the knockout matches going.
 
Boroboyyo said:
Our chance to win a tournament was the last euros or World Cup. Sadly that chance has gone . We already peaked sadly . Bud Southgate will go after this tournament
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Really we should be entering our peak now. Even though it looks like far from it.

Foden 22, Raheem 27, Maguire and Kane both 29.

Don’t forget we did great with a very young team in the last two tournaments. I’d say this one is the last hurrah for this version of England.

Didn’t the FA have a countdown to the Qatar World Cup on the wall of their office, as the main objective one we should win?
 
jonny_greenings_sock said:
Disagree mate - I do think he’s lacking on tactics, and certainly isn’t a dynamic manager who changes a game. But you can’t say he can’t do crunch matches when we’ve just been to a final and a semi final, that means he’s won pretty much all the knockout matches going.
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That’s true but when you break it down the results were certainly key over the performance.

I’ve said all along this squad is stacked with potential so we should be getting results but we lack that ability to beat the better sides. ( yes we beat Germany) but they were in absolute crisis at the time let’s see what happens on Monday.

I’d love Gareth to get it right and throw caution to the wind make pro active subs and take the game to the opppsition but it’s just not in his managerial dna
 
jonny_greenings_sock said:
Really we should be entering our peak now. Even though it looks like far from it.

Foden 22, Raheem 27, Maguire and Kane both 29.

Don’t forget we did great with a very young team in the last two tournaments. I’d say this one is the last hurrah for this version of England.

Didn’t the FA have a countdown to the Qatar World Cup on the wall of their office, as the main objective one we should win?
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Yes this is the season that St. George’s park was built for. This is the one all the plans we’re aiming for.
 
That’s true but when you break it down the results were certainly key over the performance.
Jedi boro said:
I’ve said all along this squad is stacked with potential so we should be getting results but we lack that ability to beat the better sides. ( yes we beat Germany) but they were in absolute crisis at the time let’s see what happens on Monday.

I’d love Gareth to get it right and throw caution to the wind make pro active subs and take the game to the opppsition but it’s just not in his managerial dna
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Totally agree like. Imagine that same starting XI with Pochettino, rather than being a steady team who don’t concede goals and have enough quality to grab the odd goal.

Would love to see us go for team’s throats. We’ve got the quality.
 
jonny_greenings_sock said:
That’s true but when you break it down the results were certainly key over the performance.

Totally agree like. Imagine that same starting XI with Pochettino, rather than being a steady team who don’t concede goals and have enough quality to grab the odd goal.

Would love to see us go for team’s throats. We’ve got the quality.
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Not selecting Maddison in the squad is insanity.
 
Generally I think the resources at Southgates availability are as good as any country at the moment. However he isnt playing or using them to their full potential and I think his natural caution is going to be his downfall. Yes he has achieved what no manager since Alf has done and get you to a major Final. The semi final was also impressive but England didn't beat a team ranked higher than them in that tournament.

He has earned the right to manage England in Qatar but I suspect like many it will be his hurrah.
 
Abel Tasman said:
Generally I think the resources at Southgates availability are as good as any country at the moment. However he isnt playing or using them to their full potential and I think his natural caution is going to be his downfall. Yes he has achieved what no manager since Alf has done and get you to a major Final. The semi final was also impressive but England didn't beat a team ranked higher than them in that tournament.

He has earned the right to manage England in Qatar but I suspect like many it will be his hurrah.
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LaPennaBianca said:
Now I know you have an agenda. The lad is a fancy dan who peaked years ago.
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Yes sure he is
LaPennaBianca said:
Now I know you have an agenda. The lad is a fancy dan who peaked years ago.
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equaliser said:
His loyalty to Sterling is perplexing. A couple of tap-ins at the Euros and he's undroppable in perpetuity. At least it looks as if Rashford and Sancho are coming back into form, so at least that gives him options. He also needs Mount to start firing for his club. And Bellingham is a plus; it's him and one other now by the looks of it.

It's staggering how much the team has regressed but the same old problem appears to be the reason: too many technically limited players. We just don't seem to breed those players who are brave on the ball - but we have lots of players who look very stylish playing no-risk square passes. Even players who do show for the ball - Foden (push him onto his right foot); Grealish (doesn't get his head up, no pace or trick) - are relatively easy to take out of the game.

Even if - a big if - England manage to limp out of their group, they'll get Senegal (the best team in Africa) or a dynamic and improving Holland. Right now, with a clueless attack and a ponderous defence, you'd back them to lose against either of those, never mind a probable quarter against France/Argentina...
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A big if getting out of the group? I assume you'll give him credit then if he achieved it?

The US are apparently in the same situation as us managerially when you hear their fans talk about Bernhalter. Wales will be motivated, but are a limited side.

Iran - I know next to nothing about them bar their result against Uruguay the other day.

England have shown themselves to be adept at beating teams ranked lower than them under Southgate. We struggle when we play better sides that Southgate is worried about hurting us going forward. But we still beat Denmark and Germany and Croatia at the last tournament - all good sides.

The recent form has been a disaster - but he's never let us down in a tournament.
 
Jedi boro said:
Not selecting Maddison in the squad is insanity.
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Yeah. I’d play Trent, Grealish, Foden every game and Bellingham from day one, because they’re our most special players and I like a maverick.

But you can totally understand why he’s evaluated the players available and gone, it’s not like we have a Ferdinand and a Terry, a Gerrard and a Lampard. We’re not Barcelona in 2007. We have to play at least six defensive players just to stay solid. And to be fair, it’s got him fantastic results in the tournaments, because the few attacking players left have quality.

Problem is that even when it’s working it’s not that thrilling to watch, and when it’s not, like the last 5 games, it’s bloody awful to watch and we don’t look like scoring ever.

Maddison’s something different but read a fair comment earlier that said Kane-Sterling-Foden could have been Man City’s forward line last season, and we know they would have scored 100 goals.
 
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