Electric cars Depreciation

I do 12k miles a year in mine, all on motorways and I live in a block of flats so dont have a home charger - its a great car and I love driving it, but the public fast charging infrastructure is still terrible, especially on motorways. Im regularly pulling into tesla superchargers and waiting 30-60 mins just to get on a charger. I appreciate this is all about my own circumstances but sadly I will be going back to petrol when my lease deal ends in a years time.
regularly? I've owned one for three years, I motorway drive maybe twice a month and the only time I've ever had to wait is twice at Scotch Corner. Whenever I'm at my usual stops there's plenty of empty charging bays and of course there are usually plenty of other empty bays for other providers which I can use too.
 
How much do you normally pay for charging away from your home? I usually charge for free at work but drove up for the game a few weeks ago, parked at the Hill St shopping centre and charged on the rapid charger there. For 45 mins and topping up 150 miles I was charged £30.

I'm going over to France this year, planning on driving but that cost may alter my plans.
I pay 45p per KW. Still not ideal compared to home charging but not too bad
 
I do 12k miles a year in mine, all on motorways and I live in a block of flats so dont have a home charger - its a great car and I love driving it, but the public fast charging infrastructure is still terrible, especially on motorways. Im regularly pulling into tesla superchargers and waiting 30-60 mins just to get on a charger. I appreciate this is all about my own circumstances but sadly I will be going back to petrol when my lease deal ends in a years time.
This doesn't sound right. I do the same mileage per year as you and supercharge about 4 times a year. I think that's the problem some have with EV. Not using them properly. For exmaple you REALLY shouldn't be fast charging all the time. It's terrible for the battery. Find an AC charger you can charge from. The ones at Teesside park are good.
 
regularly? I've owned one for three years, I motorway drive maybe twice a month and the only time I've ever had to wait is twice at Scotch Corner. Whenever I'm at my usual stops there's plenty of empty charging bays and of course there are usually plenty of other empty bays for other providers which I can use too.
Sadly yes, regularly - I drive London to South Wales every fortnight and Reading and Membury are always jammed up - especially on a sunday afternoon when Im travelling home.

Like I said its my own circumstances that are the issue - for the vast majority it wouldnt be a problem, but my life is complicated and stressful enough without this added headache
 
This doesn't sound right. I do the same mileage per year as you and supercharge about 4 times a year. I think that's the problem some have with EV. Not using them properly. For exmaple you REALLY shouldn't be fast charging all the time. It's terrible for the battery. Find an AC charger you can charge from. The ones at Teesside park are good.
I live in central London mate, sadly its not an option for me. I get your point about fast charging but its a lease car so its someone elses problem later down the line...
 
Sadly yes, regularly - I drive London to South Wales every fortnight and Reading and Membury are always jammed up - especially on a sunday afternoon when Im travelling home.

Like I said its my own circumstances that are the issue - for the vast majority it wouldnt be a problem, but my life is complicated and stressful enough without this added headache
OH you live in London. Get yourself a source membership. That's what I do. Your car and your wallet will thank you for it. If you have to charge on route can I recommend Cheively? we stopped there on the way back from Wales this weekend. Easter Sunday, massive queues to get into the service. It couldn't be busier. And there was loads of chargers free.
 
For the record I don't like ev's and suspect we will move from electric to hydrogen, and I am not sure I will like those either😁.
Hydrogen won't really work for cars, not anytime in the next couple of decades at the very least. It would need the grid to be 100% green and with an excess green production on the grid where it makes sense to put it into hydrogen storage, which is probably 15-20 years away. There will be other storage methods we need to use first, for grid balancing though etc. All the hydrogen we do make will probably end up going in boats by then and maybe HGV's and Buses, but battery tech will possibly solve the latter two before hydrogen really becomes nationally viable.

Even then the only benefit hydrogen would have, if it did have cost parity (which it won't as home and public EV charging cost will also scale down) would be maybe 30% more range (at a significantly higher cost), but that won't even be a point as charging speeds will be even faster by then, with more destinations.

Nobody needs a 400 mile range car when you can charge a 300 mile range car in 15 minutes at 350kW, which tech is there for already. I can charge mine 270 miles in about 20 minutes and my car model has been out three years. We just need to change peoples terrible understanding that think it's stupidly large range we need, it's not, that problem isn't really a problem. If we do need anything it's more faster charging points at motorway/ a-road services and with faster charging cars. Legislation needs to be implemented so all cars can charge at 250kW plus, as this would make better use of the charge points.

Hydrogen is too cost inefficient, and energy inefficient to go through the whole process of generating electric, turn it to hydrogen, move it (the big problem), and then get the car to turn it back to electric again. It just doesn't make sense for small vehicles. We're not going to have hydrogen pipes running all over the country, other than if they end up replacing the gas pipes but that's decades away, as we would basically need every house and premises off gas, and there won't even be any point by then as the EV infrastructure will be ludicrous.
 
I do 12k miles a year in mine, all on motorways and I live in a block of flats so dont have a home charger - its a great car and I love driving it, but the public fast charging infrastructure is still terrible, especially on motorways. Im regularly pulling into tesla superchargers and waiting 30-60 mins just to get on a charger. I appreciate this is all about my own circumstances but sadly I will be going back to petrol when my lease deal ends in a years time.
Yeah I wouldn't have an EV in your circumstances, probably another 2-5 years before I could make it make sense if I was in your position.

It will get better when more 350kW chargers are rolled out, to get people in and out faster, from the chargers but also need car makers to think ahead and make the cars be able to take that. Slow charging cars bottleneck the system.

They also need to sort out home charging for flats etc. They need common plug sockets, which get linked by your car or an app to your own electric bill, so you're not paying silly rates, it will happen. Flat livers should be able to pay 5p per kw like most of us can. There's 30k grants available for apartment blocks to get chargers fitted, just need the landlords or building owners to pull their finger out. Same applies to those for street parking, the council's need to get things moving.
 
Hydrogen won't really work for cars, not anytime in the next couple of decades at the very least. It would need the grid to be 100% green and with an excess green production on the grid where it makes sense to put it into hydrogen storage, which is probably 15-20 years away. There will be other storage methods we need to use first, for grid balancing though etc. All the hydrogen we do make will probably end up going in boats by then and maybe HGV's and Buses, but battery tech will possibly solve the latter two before hydrogen really becomes nationally viable.

Even then the only benefit hydrogen would have, if it did have cost parity (which it won't as home and public EV charging cost will also scale down) would be maybe 30% more range (at a significantly higher cost), but that won't even be a point as charging speeds will be even faster by then, with more destinations.

Nobody needs a 400 mile range car when you can charge a 300 mile range car in 15 minutes at 350kW, which tech is there for already. I can charge mine 270 miles in about 20 minutes and my car model has been out three years. We just need to change peoples terrible understanding that think it's stupidly large range we need, it's not, that problem isn't really a problem. If we do need anything it's more faster charging points at motorway/ a-road services and with faster charging cars. Legislation needs to be implemented so all cars can charge at 250kW plus, as this would make better use of the charge points.

Hydrogen is too cost inefficient, and energy inefficient to go through the whole process of generating electric, turn it to hydrogen, move it (the big problem), and then get the car to turn it back to electric again. It just doesn't make sense for small vehicles. We're not going to have hydrogen pipes running all over the country, other than if they end up replacing the gas pipes but that's decades away, as we would basically need every house and premises off gas, and there won't even be any point by then as the EV infrastructure will be ludicrous.
Toyota are very close to getting petrol level efficiency from hydrogen, they say.

It will only matter, moving forward, how clean and recyclable cars are, not how much it costs to run them.

Hydrogen will get cleaner batteries probably won't.
 
Toyota are very close to getting petrol level efficiency from hydrogen, they say.

It will only matter, moving forward, how clean and recyclable cars are, not how much it costs to run them.

Hydrogen will get cleaner batteries probably won't.
Petrol level efficiency? That's still 4 times less efficient than EV. Batteries will get cleaner, they have already removed cobalt from them, probably not to the same extent but they have a had start, given how bad it is to produce hydrogen at the moment. The difference, of course, being that batteries are created once, and last the lifetime of a vehicle. Hydrogen must constantly be being created. I honestly don't get it? We are being told the grid can't cope if eveyrone has an EV. We know this is untrue but surely the grid will cope less if we are using electricity to create hydrogen? Given you need 4 times as much to power a vehicle?
 
Rapid charging is expensive. Probably more expensive than petrol for the equivalent miles. If that is the only form of charging you do then owning an EV is expensive. I rapid charge only when I'm on long journeys so my average charge cost is still really low despite the high rapid charge costs when used.
So, is £30 the average for a fast charger, to fully charge up to the 260 mile range? I'm just trying to work out rough costs.
 
So, is £30 the average for a fast charger, to fully charge up to the 260 mile range? I'm just trying to work out rough costs.
if you are, then ignore fast charging costs. You so rarely need to use them it's no point. Oh and you don't charge to "full" on a fast charger. Never do that. I thionk this is goign to be the biggest hit to transitioning. People need to learn how to refuel again. It doesn't take long once you have one but it is a change. It's the only reason I think battery swaps, range, people asking how long and how much to "fill up" and hydrogen are even talked about. People want things that mirror their current experience not a change. Once you learn how to refuel them they are simple and usually way more convenient.
 
So, is £30 the average for a fast charger, to fully charge up to the 260 mile range? I'm just trying to work out rough costs.
Depends on the car as they have different battery sizes. 80p per KwH is the typical rapid charge price. My battery is 74KwH so 100% charge would be £60.
 
How much do you normally pay for charging away from your home? I usually charge for free at work but drove up for the game a few weeks ago, parked at the Hill St shopping centre and charged on the rapid charger there. For 45 mins and topping up 150 miles I was charged £30.

I'm going over to France this year, planning on driving but that cost may alter my plans.
44p/KwH works out about 9 miles for a £1 of supercharger top up, but I always top up at home, and my solar batteries dumping in then topping up with octopus energy overnight tarriff can be really low, I haven't worked it out, but it must be about 1p/KwH
 
Toyota are very close to getting petrol level efficiency from hydrogen, they say.

It will only matter, moving forward, how clean and recyclable cars are, not how much it costs to run them.

Hydrogen will get cleaner batteries probably won't.
Haven't they been saying that for years?

Batteries, they're ensuring that they are more recyclable, which then reduces the lifespan of the materials mined. On top of that, there are more green energy sources feeding the grid, reducing the environmental running cost all the time. They're not perfect, nothing is, but they're improving as more people take up the technology.
 
It's a Kia EV6, Google states it has a 77.4kwh battery, which, I assume would cost £60 to rapid charge. That's expensive for a 260 mile charge. May be cheaper to take my petrol car on the France trip.
 
It's a Kia EV6, Google states it has a 77.4kwh battery, which, I assume would cost £60 to rapid charge. That's expensive for a 260 mile charge. May be cheaper to take my petrol car on the France trip.
I wouldn't be surprised if French prices are much lower, their domestic electricity costs are a 1/4 of ours, surely commercial EV chargers can't be 8x more expensive than charging at home, or nobody would use them.
 
It's a Kia EV6, Google states it has a 77.4kwh battery, which, I assume would cost £60 to rapid charge. That's expensive for a 260 mile charge. May be cheaper to take my petrol car on the France trip.
definitely check, I know you're Kia, but as an example French Tesla chargers are about 25% cheaper than UK ones

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It's a Kia EV6, Google states it has a 77.4kwh battery, which, I assume would cost £60 to rapid charge. That's expensive for a 260 mile charge. May be cheaper to take my petrol car on the France trip.
Remmber to include the cheap miles in your calculation. When I go to visit family, 200 miles each way (plus weekend driving around) I have to fill up 100% (usually over 2 charges) for the trip. It costs me the £10 or whatever at home plus the £60 rapid so total cost of the 400 miles is £70. If I use the petrol car I get 30mpg and I need 8 gallons of petrol which at £1.50 per litre is about £90.
 
Haven't they been saying that for years?

Batteries, they're ensuring that they are more recyclable, which then reduces the lifespan of the materials mined. On top of that, there are more green energy sources feeding the grid, reducing the environmental running cost all the time. They're not perfect, nothing is, but they're improving as more people take up the technology.
Different companies have been saying this for quite a while. Toyota not so much until recently with the testing going on in california. The Toyota miria has just managed 1k km on a single tank.

There is still the issue of creating the hydrogen cleanly, of course. If the world goes carbon neutral that takes care of itself.

Batteries will probably never be clean, it's a fairly old technology.
 
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