Did the January trade figures get a mention on here?

[tripleheader]

But that is where the negotiations led. Britain had options, Britain could have maintained better trade links to the EU. It chose not to so can't complain when it gets treat exactly the way it negotiated for. Brexit and the now obvious economic difficulties it is creating is entirely our fault. Still at least admitting someone is to blame is admitting things have gone wrong. Some people can't even do that. Despite these figures

The government have secured the ability to negotiate separate trade deals with the rest of the world. They have secured tariff free trade with the EU at the cost of all the red tape that has to be gone through from day one for our exporters yet the U.K have not insisted on the same for goods coming in here. Brexit was a s**t storm waiting to happen, I didn't vote it in-spite of what I'm sure you and others think . And I won't defend the defenceless, but the EU are not coming out of this smelling of roses either.

 

[Adi_Dem]

The government have secured the ability to negotiate separate trade deals with the rest of the world.

Yes. Going well isn't it?

They have secured tariff free trade with the EU

No they haven't.

at the cost of all the red tape that has to be gone through from day one for our exporters

Yep. An inevitable consequence of leaving the customs union.

yet the U.K have not insisted on the same for goods coming in here

We have postponed it because we don't have anything like the infrastructure to be able to do so.

Brexit was a s**t storm waiting to happen, I didn't vote it in-spite of what I'm sure you and others think .

Pull the other one it's got bells on.

but the EU are not coming out of this smelling of roses either

They are abiding by the trade agreement that was struck. Nothing more and nothing less.

Honestly, this is the sort of gibberish that I think frustrates more than anything.

 

[BoroMart]

And I won't defend the defenceless, but the EU are not coming out of this smelling of roses either.

you also won't defend the defendable either, I mean the EU are sticking to the agreement with the UK, it's the UK that suddenly decided that the agreement they negotiated and signed isn't good enough.....it's bloody amateur hour stuff.

 

[Lefty]

Yes. Going well isn't it?



No they haven't.



Yep. An inevitable consequence of leaving the customs union.



We have postponed it because we don't have anything like the infrastructure to be able to do so.



Pull the other one it's got bells on.



They are abiding by the trade agreement that was struck. Nothing more and nothing less.

Honestly, this is the sort of gibberish that I think frustrates more than anything.

Ouch. Brutal, but not wrong.

 

[tripleheader]

Yes. Going well isn't it?



No they haven't.



Yep. An inevitable consequence of leaving the customs union.



We have postponed it because we don't have anything like the infrastructure to be able to do so.



Pull the other one it's got bells on.



They are abiding by the trade agreement that was struck. Nothing more and nothing less.

Honestly, this is the sort of gibberish that I think frustrates more than anything.

We have negotiated a tariff free deal. As for calling me out as a troll, look at my posting history. I voted remain, as for you not to believing me, that is your problem.

 

[Lefty]

you also won't defend the defendable either, I mean the EU are sticking to the agreement with the UK, it's the UK that suddenly decided that the agreement they negotiated and signed isn't good enough.....it's bloody amateur hour stuff.

The EU regarded us as the respected adult of international diplomacy when we were a member. Now they must be wondering if they had simply been fooling themselves, because we have acted like the spoilt child having a tantrum for the last 5 years. Embarrassing.

 

[Adi_Dem]

We have negotiated a tariff free deal. As for calling me out as a troll, look at my posting history. I voted remain, as for you not to believing me, that is your problem.

It's not a problem for me at all. But I would suggest you read the deal (link: https://ec.europa.eu/info/relations-united-kingdom/eu-uk-trade-and-cooperation-agreement_en). I would particularly draw your attention to the provisions that deal with 'rules of origin' We have not, by any standard, negotiated a tariff free deal.

 

[tripleheader]

It's not a problem for me at all. But I would suggest you read the deal (link: https://ec.europa.eu/info/relations-united-kingdom/eu-uk-trade-and-cooperation-agreement_en). I would particularly draw your attention to the provisions that deal with 'rules of origin' We have not, by any standard, negotiated a tariff free deal.

Preferential tariffs are only given to goods that originate in the UK or EU and not from third countries (those apart from UK and the EU Member States). Their purpose is to ensure that preferential tariffs are only given to goods that originate in the UK or EU and not from third countries (those apart from UK and the EU Member States). So a negotiated fair deal for both.
Hey, it might even encourage the support for manufacturing again in the U.K

 

[NYboro]

Hey, it might even encourage the support for manufacturing again in the U.K

That's the crux of the matter ‐ the UK has next to no manufacturing left and how long, at what cost to develop any?

 

[Adi_Dem]

Preferential tariffs are only given to goods that originate in the UK or EU and not from third countries (those apart from UK and the EU Member States). Their purpose is to ensure that preferential tariffs are only given to goods that originate in the UK or EU and not from third countries (those apart from UK and the EU Member States). So a negotiated fair deal for both.
Hey, it might even encourage the support for manufacturing again in the U.K

Copying and pasting a paragraph from here:

Rules of origin for goods moving between the UK and EU

The rules of origin requirements are some of the most important provisions that your business needs to understand and meet, under the UK's deal with the EU.

www.gov.uk

doesn’t exactly smack of a deep understanding of the issue. In fact your post demonstrates the opposite. The page from which you have copied also says this:

“To export tariff-free under the TCA, goods must meet the UK-EU preferential rules of origin. This means that there must be a qualifying level of processing in the country of export to access zero tariffs.”

In other words, unless goods and all of their constituent parts have been wholly sourced in the EU or UK, or been subject to significant processing, then they will be subject to tariffs. That conditionality and the complex rules attached to it mean that this tariff free deal isn’t tariff free for a huge proportion of businesses in the UK.

 

[tripleheader]

That's the crux of the matter ‐ the UK has next to no manufacturing left and how long, at what cost to develop any?

Goodness knows, as an example there was a terrific opportunity at the start of the Covid epidemic to get U.K to produce there own P.P.E. Yeah there were one or two key items produced ventilators etc but an opportunity to help U.K companies gear up and not have a reliance on Asia or wherever to supply. I've always believed we need a strong manufacturing base to provide blue collar work and have not seen any party really going for it. The shift to the service sector based economy was all well for some but a balance is needed.

 

[tripleheader]

Copying and pasting a paragraph from here:

Rules of origin for goods moving between the UK and EU

The rules of origin requirements are some of the most important provisions that your business needs to understand and meet, under the UK's deal with the EU.

www.gov.uk

doesn’t exactly smack of a deep understanding of the issue. In fact your post demonstrates the opposite. The page from which you have copied also says this:

“To export tariff-free under the TCA, goods must meet the UK-EU preferential rules of origin. This means that there must be a qualifying level of processing in the country of export to access zero tariffs.”

In other words, unless goods and all of their constituent parts have been wholly sourced in the EU or UK, or been subject to significant processing, then they will be subject to tariffs. That conditionality and the complex rules attached to it mean that this tariff free deal isn’t tariff free for a huge proportion of businesses in the UK.

I will except tariff free applies to UK/EU manufactured , goods from outside hell yes, that's a given. No such thing as a tariff free world.

Cutting/pasting or posting a link is pretty much acceptable in supporting a point of view in my eyes. Posting cheap comments, using words like gibberish and lack of understanding, suggest you have a superior measure of your own views which to me devalues what you have to say. So I will refrain from commenting further.

 

[SmallTown]

The government have secured the ability to negotiate separate trade deals with the rest of the world. They have secured tariff free trade with the EU at the cost of all the red tape that has to be gone through from day one for our exporters yet the U.K have not insisted on the same for goods coming in here. Brexit was a s**t storm waiting to happen, I didn't vote it in-spite of what I'm sure you and others think . And I won't defend the defenceless, but the EU are not coming out of this smelling of roses either.

Again, the EU are simply applying the same rules for us as they do for everyone else in our position. I don't blame them at all. You might expect special treatment but I'm not sure why, we failed to negotiate special treatment and we were the ones trying to destabilise the union. Its interesting that you expected some sort of special agreement. The fact is simple: we created this mess. We have to own it. To blame the EU for doing what they do to everyone else is disingenuous at best.

Also unless I'm mistaken, any trade deal with the rest of the world has never been better than the one we had from within the EU? Lizz truss is constantly announcing "contingency " deals with, Belize and Vanuatu etc. Thay are the same as he had before.

 

[Adi_Dem]

No such thing as a tariff free world.

Despite your adamant assertion that this deal was tariff free. And of course you’re wrong again anyway: have a look at the tariff system between those member states that are part of the customs union.

So I will refrain from commenting further

Probably best.